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PaulK
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Message 1 of 8 (410105)
07-13-2007 8:15 AM


Researchers from Berkeley have observed the rapid spread of a trait amongst Blue Moon butterflies in Samoa. The trait concerned provides resistance to a bacterium that kills males in the egg. This trait has spread from being rare (at best) to being widespread in the population in a period of about a year on the island of Savaii.
See the Press Release for details.

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Message 2 of 8 (410116)
07-13-2007 9:57 AM
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07-13-2007 8:15 AM


Researchers from Berkeley have observed the rapid spread of a trait amongst Blue Moon butterflies in Samoa. The trait concerned provides resistance to a bacterium that kills males in the egg. This trait has spread from being rare (at best) to being widespread in the population in a period of about a year on the island of Savaii.
The description does not represent macroevolution. This is describing selective pressures.

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Message 3 of 8 (410119)
07-13-2007 10:10 AM
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07-13-2007 9:57 AM


Can you explain the relevance of your comment ?

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Message 4 of 8 (410223)
07-13-2007 8:50 PM
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07-13-2007 10:10 AM


Punchline
Can you explain the relevance of your comment?
I'm guess I'm just waiting for the punchline. Something tells me that your mentioning of microevolution is the proverbial segue in to the introduction of macroevolution, and how its not so impossible to conceive that micro inevitably leads to macro.
Am I jumping the gun?

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Message 5 of 8 (410229)
07-13-2007 9:25 PM
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07-13-2007 8:15 AM


Not only does this represent another fine example of natural selection operating on a population, it demonstrates rather nicely how the power of sexual selection can operate quickly in a species.
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Message 6 of 8 (410281)
07-14-2007 5:34 AM
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07-13-2007 8:50 PM


Re: Punchline
Jumping the gun ? More like fantasising. This is a Links and Information topic. No further development of the topic was intended - and that his how this forum is meant to be used. If I had intended to developa nd discuss the topic further I would have gone through the proper procedure which starts with submitting to PNT.
So you were attempting to preempt a post that was never going to come - and that you should have known was never going to come.

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Message 7 of 8 (410329)
07-14-2007 11:18 AM
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07-13-2007 9:25 PM


Not Sexual Selection
I don't thing, from my reading, that this is an example of sexual selection at all.
The females are, IIRC, NOT selecting based on the resistance gene it is just that those with it are the only males surviving to breed. It appears that none or nearly none of the non-resistant males survive so the selection pressure is huge.

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Message 8 of 8 (410337)
07-14-2007 12:16 PM
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07-14-2007 11:18 AM


Not Sexual Selection - but it shows the mechanisms effect
No, this isn't, but what it shows is that if sexual selection were in operation and 1% of the male population were selected for mating that the result would be a dramatic change in the population in short order.
This is independent confirmation of how quickly sexual selection can affect a population, similar to the way the spread of introduced species confirm how quickly a small introductory populations spread across a continent demonstrates the mechanism for punk-eek.
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