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Parasomnium
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Message 1 of 12 (271292)
12-21-2005 9:26 AM


On a Dutch news site, I found this interesting little article, which I have translated for you.
Astronomers find building blocks of life at distant star
LEIDEN/GRONINGEN - Near a star millions of light years away, Dutch astronomers have found gasses that contain essential building blocks for the possible formation of life. It’s the first time these elements have been found near a star resembling our Sun, where possibly earth-like planets are forming.
The discovery was made near the star IRS 46, in the constellation Ophiuchus (Serpent-bearer), at 375 million light years from Earth. Utilizing the American space organization NASA’s space telescope Spitzer, astrononomers of the Sterrenwacht Leiden and the institute for space research SRON found, among others, the gasses acethylene (C2H2) and hydrogen cyanide (HCN). Both are important elements for the formation of proteins and DNA, which are essential for life.
In itself, the finding of these gasses is nothing new. They occur on planets in our own solar system, on comets and in remote corners of the universe. “The exciting thing is that we are seeing this in a place where possibly earth-like planets are forming”, says teamleader F. Lahuis. The discovery is “a surprise”, the space researcher poses.
“In only one out of a hundred young stars with low masses we’ve studied, we clearly see the fingerprints of these organic substances.” Not only is IRS 46 a young star with a mass comparable to that of our Sun, but the found gasses also orbit the star in a disk of dust and other gasses at about the same distance as the Earth’s distance to the Sun.
Lahuis will not live to know the answer to the question of whether life is indeed forming around the star. Only in millions of years will it be possible to ascertain if earth-like planets have formed.
“That’s why we are looking at hundreds of stars in a number of star-formation locations,” says the Leiden astronomer. The data he and his team collect are themselves building blocks for the answer to the question of if, and how, life is forming elsewhere in the universe.
“Several branches of science are involved in answering this question,” says Lahuis. “Eventually, by putting it all together, we hope to get a picture of how evolution works.”
I also found this link to a scientific paper of the group.
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Message 2 of 12 (271446)
12-21-2005 1:40 PM
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12-21-2005 9:26 AM


that's superb. but just to be clear. that's what happened a milliuon years ago right?
so it might already be there and we just have to wait a million years to see it... that is if we don't manage to blow ourselves up first.

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Message 3 of 12 (271454)
12-21-2005 2:01 PM
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12-21-2005 1:40 PM


It's what happened about 400 years ago. Para's post is wrong about distance: the link says "about 125 parsecs" or 3.26 times that many light years. The "millions of years" bit seems to be talking of the time we have to wait for the protostar to finish making its solar system.

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Message 4 of 12 (271460)
12-21-2005 2:19 PM
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12-21-2005 2:01 PM


i see. snaz.
but would i be right in that statement were it actually a million light years away? general knowledge question. i'm rusty.

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Message 5 of 12 (271463)
12-21-2005 2:23 PM
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12-21-2005 2:19 PM


Yup.

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Parasomnium
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Message 6 of 12 (271474)
12-21-2005 3:24 PM
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12-21-2005 2:01 PM


My mistake (and theirs)
Coragyps writes:
It's what happened about 400 years ago. Para's post is wrong about distance: the link says "about 125 parsecs" or 3.26 times that many light years. The "millions of years" bit seems to be talking of the time we have to wait for the protostar to finish making its solar system.
Coragyps is right. I didn't check the distance of the star in the paper I found. But the Dutch news article really mentions a distance of 375 million light years, I translated that literally. Near the end, they mention the millions of years it takes for planets to actually form. You may be right in assuming that that's where the confusion came from.
So, to recapitulate:
  • the star is about 400 lightyears away, so that what they are seeing happened 400 years ago;
  • the distance to the star is about 3.9 x 1015 km (you can work out the miles for yourself);
  • the time it takes for planets to form is in the millions of years;
Just another piece of info: after the earth was first formed, it took another billion years or so, before life appeared.
{added by edit:}
I haven't yet seen the news item on English language sites. Could I be the first one to have translated it into English? In that case, anglophones, you heard it here first. I'm looking forward to comparing my translation with other ones.
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Message 7 of 12 (271485)
12-21-2005 3:41 PM
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12-21-2005 3:24 PM


Re: My mistake (and theirs)
hawt. you're my best source for news and information. next to npr that is.
do you come in syndication?
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Message 8 of 12 (271489)
12-21-2005 3:57 PM
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12-21-2005 3:41 PM


Re: My mistake (and theirs)
brennakimi writes:
hawt
You mean I am hot? Or are you just Having A Wonderful Time?
do you come in syndication?
Nope. Wish it were so. But thanks for the compliment.

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Message 9 of 12 (271497)
12-21-2005 4:23 PM
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12-21-2005 3:41 PM


4 parsecs off topic
do you come in syndication?
If the avatar is anything to go by syndicates and other collectives are a sensitive issue...

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Message 10 of 12 (271501)
12-21-2005 4:36 PM


9 messages in, and 3 are off-topic (and this one is a 4th)
Even though it consisted entirely of a quote, I still think message 1 would be elgible for a PNT nomination.
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Message 11 of 12 (271643)
12-22-2005 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Parasomnium
12-21-2005 9:26 AM


Dutch astronomers have found gasses that contain essential building blocks for the possible formation of life... The discovery was made near the star IRS 46
That figures, life is just forming and IRS is already hanging around.

holmes
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Message 12 of 12 (271659)
12-22-2005 10:10 AM
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12-21-2005 4:36 PM


Re: 9 messages in, and 3 are off-topic (and this one is a 4th)
thanks. i was trying to understand the topic theme. glad this isn't about increasing knowledge

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