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robinrohan
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Message 1 of 11 (327625)
06-29-2006 10:09 PM


Jazzn makes a distinction between "reason" and "logic."
So I suppose we can call reason "informal logic" and what he's referring to as "formal logic." Not being versed in formal logic, I can't speak of it.
But I and everyone else knows what I mean when I speak of "informal logic" or Reason. The question is whether the sort of reasoning I habitually employ has any validity, and if not, why not? Here's a sample:
Brute or Blackguard
I am well aware that there are some puzzles in the above argument, but one does what one can. This is a sample of what I call "informal logic."
My reasoning is the reasoning of people in general, not of someone who specializes in "logic." What makes it seem so important to me is that I think of it as a handle on reality. If this handle is broken, then I am out of touch with reality. This is why I reacted so strongly to the idea that I "don't understand logic." If I don't understand logic, then I am living in a mad maze. I have no handle on reality. Informal logic has to have some validity in order for the handle to be real.
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Message 2 of 11 (327694)
06-30-2006 7:33 AM
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06-29-2006 10:09 PM


Great Debate
I would have no problem promoting this as a Great Debate between you and Jazzns, but I'm not inclined to promote it as a general discussion topic.
If that is acceptable, then we can see if Jazzns is agreeable.

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robinrohan
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Message 3 of 11 (327700)
06-30-2006 8:06 AM
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06-30-2006 7:33 AM


Re: Great Debate
Need more participants than just two. Debate about whether this "mathematical" or "formal" logic is the only logic that counts.

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Message 4 of 11 (327712)
06-30-2006 9:18 AM
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06-30-2006 8:06 AM


Re: Great Debate
quote:
Debate about whether this "mathematical" or "formal" logic is the only logic that counts.
Unfortunately that isn't what your OP is presenting.
quote:
This is all I have found. One notices the sweeping generalizations, but one finds no specifics. It would be nice if he would point out where in fact, in regard to some particular argument, my logic is flawed.
This sounds personal. If that is the discussion you wish to have, then I suggest the Great Debate for a civil discussion between you and Jazzns. If that is not what you wish, then you need to revamp your OP to reflect your last statement.
Debate about whether this "mathematical" or "formal" logic is the only logic that counts.

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robinrohan
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Message 5 of 11 (327842)
06-30-2006 4:52 PM
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06-30-2006 9:18 AM


Re: Great Debate
I'm going to have a go at reworking this OP.

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robinrohan
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Message 6 of 11 (327853)
06-30-2006 5:43 PM
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06-30-2006 4:52 PM


Re: Great Debate
How about this?

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Message 7 of 11 (327855)
06-30-2006 5:50 PM
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06-30-2006 4:52 PM


Much Better
Now are you wanting to limit the discussion to analyzing the sample you provided? If yes, I would state that in the OP also. I think it would be wise, so that people aren't dragging up everything you've ever said and because you are wanting input concerning your reasoning and not necessarily anyone elses. Correct me if I've misunderstood.

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robinrohan
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Message 8 of 11 (327857)
06-30-2006 5:55 PM
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06-30-2006 5:50 PM


Re: Much Better
because you are wanting input concerning your reasoning and not necessarily anyone elses
If somebody wants to talk about other people's reasoning, that's fine with me. It should be a general discussion.
I offered that sample of my argument just as a sample. We don't have to concentrate on that, although if they do, that's fine too.
I'm not sure about which forum though.

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Message 9 of 11 (327865)
06-30-2006 6:14 PM
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06-30-2006 5:55 PM


Re: Much Better
quote:
I'm not sure about which forum though.
That is a pickle. How about either Social Issues and Creation/Evolution, Miscellaneous Topics in Creation/Evolution or Is It Science?
The last two are in the Science Forum and the first one is in the Faith based Forum. Any preference? I'm leaning towards Is it Science?.

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robinrohan
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Message 10 of 11 (327866)
06-30-2006 6:15 PM
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06-30-2006 6:14 PM


Re: Much Better
"Is it science" sounds good.

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Message 11 of 11 (327888)
06-30-2006 7:19 PM


Topic Promoted - Is It Science?
Thread copied to the Formal and Informal Logic thread in the Is It Science? forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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