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Trump won 
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Message 1 of 64 (145822)
09-29-2004 9:37 PM


The enlightened one AKA Buddha meditated under a tree for 40 days, he was tempted by "evil spirits" but stayed true to his beliefs.
Very much similiar to when Jesus was tempted by "the devil" in the desert.
Lao-tzu described a man or a woman whose life is in perfect harmony with the way things are:
"I am the Tao the Truth, the Life."
-In the Tao. Tao means "the way".
Christ said in the gospel of John: "I am the Way the Truth and the Life noone comes to the Father except through me."
So Christ was in perfect harmony with the way things are.
edit- this topic is relating similarities of christianity and other religions
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Message 2 of 64 (145829)
09-29-2004 10:17 PM
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The enlightened one AKA Buddha meditated under a tree for 40 days, he was tempted by "evil spirits" but stayed true to his beliefs.
Very much similiar to when Jesus was tempted by "the devil" in the desert.
Lao-tzu described a man or a woman whose life is in perfect harmony with the way things are:
"I am the Tao the Truth, the Life."
-In the Tao. Tao means "the way".
Christ said in the gospel of John: "I am the Way the Truth and the Life noone comes to the Father except through me."
So Christ was in perfect harmony with the way things are.
The similarities are indicative of counterfeit. Satan has always used this strategy. Many false religions have enough truth and similarities to the real to draw a crowd into them. They must, for Biblical religion is the only thing that offers substantial good, so if they have nothing to resemble the good, what good would anyone consider them to be?
Shakyamuni, the Buddah, supposedly abandoned his wife and kid to go off to meditate to supposedly get enlightened. The first alarm flashing light should warn right there that somethings wrong with the picture, i.e. abandonment of one's family.

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Message 3 of 64 (145830)
09-29-2004 10:19 PM
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How to tell?
The similarities are indicative of counterfeit.
So how do we tell which is which? The counterfeit and the real.
And how did Jesus's kids do?

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Message 4 of 64 (145836)
09-29-2004 10:29 PM
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09-29-2004 9:37 PM


The teachings of Lao Tsu and Buddha are also great moral systems. They are good examples showing that morality is not so much a matter of religion as basic human nature. In addition to those, it is well worthwhile for everyone to also study Mencius, the sayings of Confucius and the Hindu Vedas.

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Message 5 of 64 (145839)
09-29-2004 10:37 PM
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09-29-2004 10:19 PM


Re: How to tell?
You could say as evidence to which is counterfeit and which is real that whichever one predates the other is real. This however is not good evidence.
I prefer to think both happened, Buddha was no god but he was trying to get people to stop wanting and to stop being distracted by trivial desires. He said have no desires. The devil of the Bible would not want people in this mind set, you see if you desire for trivial things you miss "nirvana" in Buddha's case. Could the evil spirits be the evil spirits of the Bible? I believe so.
Lao-tzu defined a person in perfect harmony with the way things are. From what Jesus said in the gospels you discover Jesus Christ fit this definition. Since Lao-tzu was a man does that mean his definition was wrong? No. Since the Tao predates the Bible does that mean what Jesus said was copied from the Tao? No.
This message has been edited by CHRIS PORTEUS jr, 09-29-2004 09:38 PM

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Message 6 of 64 (145842)
09-29-2004 10:53 PM
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quote:
They are good examples showing that morality is not so much a matter of religion as basic human nature.
A matter of religion as in an afterlife etc. Not so much Taoism but yes there is a basis of religion in both. I'm not saying their isn't morals outside religion.
quote:
In addition to those, it is well worthwhile for everyone to also study Mencius, the sayings of Confucius and the Hindu Vedas.
There were many vedas from all different civilizations... Confucius can be similiar to Buddhism and Daoism in countless instances.
Edited by -messenjah of one, : No reason given.

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Message 7 of 64 (145849)
09-29-2004 11:01 PM
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Re: How to tell?
So how do we tell which is which? The counterfeit and the real.
And how did Jesus's kids do?
For a starter, the supreme one who sent his son to earth sent him as a unique being who would have neither wife nor children so as to perform fully the mission for which he was sent. That Shakyamuni's supposed supreme being who supposedly enlightened him didn't think of that factor before supposedly enlightening him for his supposed mission is telling as to which would be the authentic true way.

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Message 8 of 64 (145855)
09-29-2004 11:06 PM
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Re: How to tell?
Could the evil spirits be the evil spirits of the Bible? I believe so.
........And don't forget that according to the Bible, those evil spirits appear and function as ANGELS OF LIGHT.
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Message 9 of 64 (145858)
09-29-2004 11:18 PM
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The similarities are indicative of counterfeit.
Why?
If the message is the same is there some reason to think that GOD did not speak to his people in a form and method they could accept?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 10 of 64 (145865)
09-29-2004 11:40 PM
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09-29-2004 11:18 PM


Why?
If the message is the same is there some reason to think that GOD did not speak to his people in a form and method they could accept?
1. Counterfeit requires similarities.
2. God would not have his sent son marry, have a family and then abandon them for ever.

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jar
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Message 11 of 64 (145869)
09-29-2004 11:59 PM
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09-29-2004 11:40 PM


God would not have his sent son marry, have a family and then abandon them for ever.
No, Christ just asked other folk to abandon their families.
The key point is that the message is valid. Perhaps you could point out the parts of Mencius writings, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism to show where they are in error?

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Message 12 of 64 (146210)
09-30-2004 6:02 PM
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09-29-2004 11:40 PM


1. Counterfeit requires similarities.
If this is true and we know many things in the Bible are similar to texts which predate it, then why is it not the case that the Bible is the counterfeit of the earlier texts?
2. God would not have his sent son marry, have a family and then abandon them for ever.
Seconding Jar's comment, Jesus said this behavior was good and would be rewarded. Is there a difference if it was him or someone else doing it?

holmes
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Message 13 of 64 (146306)
09-30-2004 8:40 PM
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No, Christ just asked other folk to abandon their families.
The key point is that the message is valid. Perhaps you could point out the parts of Mencius writings, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism to show where they are in error?
1. Please cite Biblical abandonment of one's wife and kid or something equal to this and we'll talk about it.
2. How about reincarnation for a starter?

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Message 14 of 64 (146313)
09-30-2004 8:50 PM
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1. Please cite Biblical abandonment of one's wife and kid or something equal to this and we'll talk about it.
How about Matthew 4?
quote:
Matthew 4
8 And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
20 And they straightway left their nets, and followed him.
21 And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them.
22 And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed him.
2. How about reincarnation for a starter?
Well, there is nothing that really precludes reincarnation being life everlasting. But in any case, reincarnation has nothing to do with the teachings or moral code. If you check, you'll find that once you achieve enlightenment you need no longer suffer reincarnation, but rather achieve Nirvana, reuniting with the ONE.

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Message 15 of 64 (146427)
10-01-2004 7:00 AM
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1. Please cite Biblical abandonment of one's wife and kid or something equal to this and we'll talk about it.
MATTHEW
10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
MARK
10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
LUKE
{note--- this is Jesus doing essentially the same thing as Buddha with his parents as he was still to young to have other family}
2:43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.
2:44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance.
2:45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.
2:46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
2:47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
2:50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
18:29 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake,
18:30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
I realize that most of this is repeating the same stuff but since they are in different chapters I figure it highlights that the message is not isolated.

holmes
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