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Author Topic:   Which would you prefer; A New World Order or a World Caliphate?
Greatest I am
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Message 1 of 5 (776583)
01-16-2016 10:53 AM


Which would you prefer; A New World Order or a World Caliphate?

Or a perpetual insurgency war against civilians?

https://ca.video.search.yahoo.com/...wMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNwaXZz

Islamís hates democracy and the Western culture. Islam is determined to destroy the West and democracy so as to install a World Caliphate.

The West is beginning to hate Islam thanks to this hatred against them and Western ideas of a New World Order.

If we as a world cannot change our views and remove this hate from our hearts, we are bound to end in a larger numbers of small battles within a larger war.

We must find a better way to appease our objections to rapprochement. If we cannot dispel these irritants, a long and expanding jihad is inevitable. Because the jihad can only be an insurgency war, eventually the West will have to resort to the same techniques if the West is to win. This then would make the war against civilians instead against combatants. This is a cowardís war that Islam is forcing onto the world. Islam of course will blame the West for the war that the West will blame on Islam.

Both sides want to eventually have a one world government. I advocate for a one world government and think that the West and Islam should sit down and decide the rules of this one world government and to see if there is any rapprochement possible between what would be an Islamic theocracy or Caliphate, with an absentee God ruling through Sharia, and a freedom promoting Western system with a visible elected ruler.

If no rapprochement is possible then it is the Wests duty to declare a war against Islam and annihilate it if it will not reform into a peaceful world religion.

Many try to cut radical jihadists out of Islamís general population and say they are hijacking Islam and are not really real Muslims. I suggest that Islam itself and their holy books are what are creating these extremists and that Islam has now produced a majority of extremists within its general population. If Islam does not reform its belief system and literature, the West will have no choice but to try to destroy Islam. The older world would have had to do the same with Christianity if it had maintained its own jihad that was called the Inquisition. Radical Islam is being seen as the mainstream Islam and the world cannot and will not live with such an Islam.

We are not creating any new conditions between Islam and the West. Attacks and the death of innocent non-combatants civilians in this cowardly jihad will continue if no new conditions are introduced. It is said that to continue to do the same thing and expect a different outcome, is insanity. We are at the point of insanity and that is why I suggest a new condition which would be peace negotiations that would produce a new order in the world that would embrace both Western ideologies as well as Muslim ideologies.

This may be the only way to rid the world of the hate and cowardly jihad against civilians. A form of insurgency fighting that the West would have to adopt against Islam to win the jihad.

If you do not agree, then what would you suggest to bring the West and Islam to a rapprochement?

Regards
DL


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Message 2 of 5 (776591)
01-16-2016 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
01-16-2016 10:53 AM


Unfounded Assertions
Im not inclined to promote as written because you start out with assertions which are unproven. Namely
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Islam is determined to destroy the West and democracy so as to install a World Caliphate.
We will need more than You Tube videos to back up this claim with evidence. If you can support the claim with reasoned evidence, I will promote you.
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Greatest I am
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01-17-2016 3:19 PM
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01-16-2016 4:06 PM


Re: Unfounded Assertions
If this is not enough then you may as well close my account.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U...

Regards
DL


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01-18-2016 2:41 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Greatest I am
01-17-2016 3:19 PM


Greatest Topic?
Nobody said anything about closing your account. Our diversity is our strength here at EvC. To be honest with you, I feel as if you have too many topics that are nearly the same. If another admin wishes to promote you they are free and able to do so. I have a few more questions to ask first,before promotion.

First, look at your title. Which would you prefer; A New World Order or a World Caliphate?

That's like asking a guy whether he would prefer arsenic or cyanide. There are more than two choices.

Then you say

I advocate for a one world government and think that the West and Islam should sit down and decide the rules of this one world government and to see if there is any rapprochement possible between what would be an Islamic theocracy or Caliphate, with an absentee God ruling through Sharia, and a freedom promoting Western system with a visible elected ruler.
Have you given thought as to who would represent the west? How about Islam? I challenge you to pick ten individuals from each group.

I believe that there is quite a difference between radical Islam and Islam in general. Do you agree or disagree?

Also for the record, I believe that a One World Government will end up being as bad as a caliphate or a theocracy of any stripe.

As a Gnostic Christian, where do you believe that the wiser humans among us get their wisdom?

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Greatest I am
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01-18-2016 10:45 AM
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01-18-2016 2:41 AM


Re: Greatest Topic?
AdminPhat

These types of questions are for the main board but let me have a go.

My topics are somewhat similar, I agree, but I think diverse enough to suit. I, of course, like you, have my own biases.

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"First, look at your title. Which would you prefer; A New World Order or a World Caliphate?

That's like asking a guy whether he would prefer arsenic or cyanide. There are more than two choices."

Yes and those choices are working well are they as we see all the various countries making war noises.

We all have two basic choices. Be ruled by what gives us some level of freedom or to be ruled where we have no choices or freedom.

Islam does not allow freedom. They are charged to kill all who are not Muslim by their own religion.

With trade, pollution and climate change all ignoring borders, the best government we can have is a one world government.

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"Have you given thought as to who would represent the west? How about Islam? I challenge you to pick ten individuals from each group."

The West can begin with the G 20 and as that link above showed, there is a strong Islamic group in the U.N. already in place to negotiate. Using what already exists is always best.

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"I believe that there is quite a difference between radical Islam and Islam in general. Do you agree or disagree?"

I disagree and go by the numbers. I see 70% as fundamental and to the far right and see 30% who are not much better as they are not pushing for reforms of the 70%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p...

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"Also for the record, I believe that a One World Government will end up being as bad as a caliphate or a theocracy of any stripe. "

Or the best we have ever had. You have nothing to show for your opinion and neither do I as we have never had such and I think we should try because of what Einstein said about insanity being to continue to do the same thing while expecting a different result.

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"As a Gnostic Christian, where do you believe that the wiser humans among us get their wisdom?"

We have a lot of history to analyze for wisdom and any new wisdom can only come from human minds.

Where else can wisdom be or come from if not in us and our past?

Are you thinking some absentee God?

The ones on our menu lack in wisdom and morality and that is why the world is rejecting them.

Regards
DL


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