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Author Topic:   Info on the Big Bang Theory. Let's learn.
mevsyou
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Message 1 of 7 (296712)
03-20-2006 4:59 AM


I am a new member to this site, but have always been intrigued by the ongoing debate that either Creationists, Evolutionist, Cosmologists, etc. have been involved in, and will be until our time on earth is at an end.
It is not my intent to anger or upset any members, and I am sure that many of you enter here with the same cause: To debate and inform those with the opposing beliefs/theories in order to prove either the truth of your beliefs/theories or fallacies of the other.
So here I begin what I may have to ask or state, in hopes that a good discussion will be birthed.
I do not completely understand the theory of "the Big Bang," but I am aware that this theory does not state that the universe "exploded from nothing." Because of this, I would like to also state that I will try very carefully to use as little information as possible provided by one Kent Hovind. It is my understanding through viewing his work and articles, as well as other creationists, and non-creationists that he is to be proven wrong at many points. (This being said I AM a creationists, but am very interested in the beliefs of non-creationists). Kent Hovind may have some scientific experience, but there have been times where I, and others, have found statements by both evolutionists and creationists disproving many of what Hovind has said.
I do not claim he is a liar, nor am I here to bash him, but I would appreciate that since I am not using him as a source, no one else will attempt to use him as a source AGAINST me, since I am aware of his work. If I do bring any Creation Scientists into this discussion, it will most likely not be him.
Just to prove a point to my fellow creationists, I give you a quote from Hovind's own website.
"The first law of thermodynamics proves that matter and energy cannot just appear. Evolutionists must ignore the most basic law of science at the very start of their belief system."
Again, nowhere does TBBT state that the universe was created from NOTHING. If Dr. Hovind is to make a false statement such as this, then it can be well assumed that many other of his statements are mistaken. Also, many of his work and theories are "borrowed" from other sources, showing that he is probably not even doing a lot of this work himself, just presenting it.
So? Go ahead Creationists, Evolutionists, Cosmoligists......INFORM ME. Where is TBBT headed, or not headed for that matter? Where is the proof for your belief? I honestly wish to know.
--Tito (yes, that's my name)

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Message 2 of 7 (296724)
03-20-2006 6:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by mevsyou
03-20-2006 4:59 AM


Big Bang and Hovind....where does it go?
Hello, "Tito" and welcome to EvC! Do you wish to discuss Hovind at all or are you simply pointing out that you agree with the one statement, "The first law of thermodynamics proves that matter and energy cannot just appear. Evolutionists must ignore the most basic law of science at the very start of their belief system."
Tito writes:
Go ahead Creationists, Evolutionists, Cosmoligists......INFORM ME. Where is TBBT headed, or not headed for that matter? Where is the proof for your belief? I honestly wish to know.
Thats the whole point of our forum. Check out the Forum footnotes here and give me an idea of which forum you want to start a topic in. Next, revise and rewrite this topic so that it stands alone as a topic starter. Read the Forum Guidelines and get back to me in a week. (March 25th)
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    Message 3 of 7 (296785)
    03-20-2006 11:04 AM
    Reply to: Message 1 by mevsyou
    03-20-2006 4:59 AM


    Your registrations
    I see that you registered twice. Since you posted under this one I'm assuming it is the one you wish to keep. I am deleting the other registration.

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    mevsyou
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    Message 4 of 7 (297513)
    03-23-2006 8:55 AM
    Reply to: Message 2 by AdminPhat
    03-20-2006 6:19 AM


    Re: Big Bang and Hovind....where does it go?
    Actually, I'd kind of like to disagree with that statement. I guess it could be more on Hovind and his peers. I don't really agree with him or his statements most of the time. So, it could go either way, I guess, or more the way of discussing Hovind. That guy gets on my nerves.

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    AdminPhat
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    Message 5 of 7 (297524)
    03-23-2006 9:30 AM
    Reply to: Message 4 by mevsyou
    03-23-2006 8:55 AM


    Rewrite the topic
    OK, lets make a topic and leave Hovind entirely out of it.
    If he gets on your nerves, why bring him up at all?
    Perhaps it would be best if you edited and rewrote the opening post and we can go from there.
    I might point out, also, that there are existing topics on the Big Bang currently going which you may prefer to jump in on and add your opinions. I usually encourage new members to post at least 20-25 times in other posts (to get a feel for the Forum) before starting topics of their own.
    You may feel free to revise and rewrite this one, however. Get back to me by March 31. Forum Guidelines

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    AdminPhat
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    Message 6 of 7 (298517)
    03-27-2006 3:15 AM
    Reply to: Message 4 by mevsyou
    03-23-2006 8:55 AM


    Lets Learn?
    Did you still want to edit this topic and start a new one?
  • With or without Hovind being mentioned?
  • Edit original opening post
  • Get back to me by April 1st
  • Read Forum Guidelines

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    mevsyou
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    Message 7 of 7 (298578)
    03-27-2006 8:35 AM
    Reply to: Message 6 by AdminPhat
    03-27-2006 3:15 AM


    Re: Lets Learn?
    Yeah, I'll go ahead and edit it, and most probably continue the anti-hovind topic.

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