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Author Topic:   Can the Big Bang Theory really be trusted?
Specter
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Message 1 of 9 (212849)
05-31-2005 1:46 PM


AS the story goes...
Once upon a time, in the vast, deep reaches of outer space, a bubble of 92 separate elements sat still. Yet, in it's most compacted state, its contents were able to contract and expand, causing a big bang, from which rocks flew everywhere and became life called an ameoba. Then the ameoba split into protozoa, and evolved over time into plankton, which became this slime and transmographied into a marine animal.
(onomatopeiaANNNGGGKKK! Wrong answer! I've got some questions for you and some theory-bashers to provoke inquiry...
1) IF evolution is truly correct, then how can an explosion bring everything together into a truly magnificent, reproductive being? Eh? And, if this is true, then why can't explosions become actual biotic things?
2) IF it is actually true that "all cells come from other living cells (I just learned that in Biologia), then how can two nonliving rocks, or any abiotic object for that matter, produce life? And don't use the sperm and egg excuse. Sperm and eggs are alive at transmittal. See? I already read up.
3) IF evolution is a continually occuring process, then why isn't anything macroevolving right now? Shouldn't Darwin have written in his journal on the HMS Beagle the current state of Guatemalan animals and we could track a transformation to this day? Come on! Evolution means to come from a lower being to a higher being. Have any monkeys dropped off trees lately? And another thing...evolution is not synonymous to adaptation!
SO can we trust the evolutionnary theory, knowing well that it's underlying principle is subliminally erroneous?

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Message 2 of 9 (212882)
05-31-2005 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Specter
05-31-2005 1:46 PM


Hi Specter,
As it stands this topic is about several differing issues. The Big Bang doesn't have anything to do with evolution and discussions of each belong in different fora.
First, I suggest you rethink your scenario no one will get past that as it contains many strawmen.
Second, pick one of your questions to elaborate on. The first is part Cosmology and part biology. The second is abiogenesis not evolution. The third is biology but again is full of strawmen.
If you want serious answers to your questions I suggest you put a little effort into understanding just what you are asking.

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Specter
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Message 3 of 9 (213017)
06-01-2005 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminAsgara
05-31-2005 4:40 PM


Alright, Asgara. As you wish.
The question I am posing is, "If evolution is truly correct, then how can an explosion bring everything together into a truly magnificent, reproductive being? Eh? And, if this is true, then why can't explosions become actual biotic things?"
Others please feel free to answer this question for me.
NOTE: The other two questions may be answered in different topic forums.

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Message 4 of 9 (213020)
06-01-2005 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Specter
06-01-2005 9:35 AM


More focussed but too far off
This is more focussed but you still have cosmology and biology mixed up and you misunderstand the nature of the big bang -- NOT an explosion.
I suggest that you read the various threads on the nature of the big bang before you start another one.

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Specter
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Message 5 of 9 (213024)
06-01-2005 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by AdminNosy
06-01-2005 9:38 AM


How's this?
Okay, okay. I think I've got it now. My quesiton rephrased is this:
" The Big Bang is described as an explosion. But if this is truly correct, how can an explosion bring everything together into a truly magnificent, reproductive being? And, if this is true, then why can't explosions scientists recreate become actual biotic things? Sounds awfully a lot like Human Transmutation and Magical Alchemy.

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Message 6 of 9 (213029)
06-01-2005 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Specter
06-01-2005 9:42 AM


Right forums
I'm looking through to find the right places for you to read. I will have them in a few hours.

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Specter
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Message 7 of 9 (213031)
06-01-2005 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by AdminNosy
06-01-2005 9:49 AM


I'm so sorry!
Is there anything I can do to close this forum down? I will place the right answers in the right forum as soon as I get them. Thank you, sir Nosy! 9No offense.)

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Message 8 of 9 (213032)
06-01-2005 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Specter
06-01-2005 9:52 AM


Re: I'm so sorry!
Thanks again,
I'll leave this open so I can add pointers to helpful msgs and invite other admins to do so when they have time.
Other members could bump the better msgs on this and your other new topics.
This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 06-01-2005 09:54 AM

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AdminNosy
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Message 9 of 9 (213346)
06-01-2005 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Specter
06-01-2005 9:52 AM


A place to begin
Here is a thread that about covers you topic. You may ask things there:
Jump in at Message 194
Then carry on with these (same thread) and continue reading
Message 200
Message 207
Message 208
Message 213
There are lots more on the topic. I strongly suggest you read everything that Sylas has posted.
{ AdminSylas fixed the links. }
This message has been edited by AdminSylas, 06-10-2005 03:40 AM

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