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Garabato
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Message 1 of 4 (438679)
12-05-2007 6:42 PM


Hi.
I have a question regarding animals like the Maleo (Maleo - Wikipedia) that bury their eggs deep in the ground, and how the young birds are able work their own way up through the sand.
How did that incubation method probably evolved? If the young birds didn't had the ability to dig up then they would have becomed extinct as the mother burried into the ground; but the ability to dig up would be useless otherwise.
Whats the current scientific explanation for the evolution of animals that bury their eggs in the ground?
Thanks
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Message 2 of 4 (438729)
12-06-2007 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Garabato
12-05-2007 6:42 PM


A suggestion first
Welcome to EvC Garabato. Thanks for joining us.
I think it would help people answering your question if we knew more about what you already understand or don't understand.
Perhaps you can explain more what your view and understanding is.
My reason for asking for this is particularly this sentence:
How did that incubation method probably evolved? If the young birds didn't had the ability to dig up then they would have becomed extinct as the mother burried into the ground; but the ability to dig up would be useless otherwise.
This hints that you know nothing at all about the evolutionary model. If that is the case you might to better to ask questions of a more general nature. Then you should find this question very easy to answer yourself.
You can find a number of other questions just like this one. They often involve things like how can a symbiotic relationship develop, how can sexual organisms arise (often asked like this: "how can a male appear if it has no female to mate with) and so on. In all cases the answer is, at a high level the same and when you have just a beginners understanding of evolutionary science you will be able to answer it.
As a clue: think gradual.
You can add more to your opening post (OP) and then reply to me and I will consider what you have then. Or you can leave this and ask questions in other threads.

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Garabato
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Message 3 of 4 (438731)
12-06-2007 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminNosy
12-06-2007 12:35 AM


Re: A suggestion first
Thanks for the suggestion AdminNosy. I probably failed to make myself clear. My question was not regarding how two interdependent features could have evolved as my first post made it sound, I ment to ask the specific question of how did the Maleo's egg burial feature evolved.
Thinking gradually as you said I could especulate something. Birds already have to get trought a strenuous process to extract themselves from an unburied egg. One could imagine the early stages of the evolution of egg burying involving a very shallow layer of dirt that way, so the diference wouldn't be so sudden.
Now since there are evolutionary advantages for deeper burial (I think). Then there is selective pressure for greater depth of burial. So after many generations of slightly increase of burial depth, the individuals who had slightly increase of physical activity to reach the surface would have a higher chance of surviving, thus having a higher chance to leave offspring.
I dont know if it goes like that, my understanding of the evolution model is pretty limited to be honest. But the thread was regarding the current scientific explanation of this feature from an evolutionary perspective, hope that clears thing up.
Thanks

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12-06-2007 2:04 AM


Thread copied to the Egg burier animals question thread in the Biological Evolution forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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