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Minnemooseus

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Message 1 of 9 (207136)
05-11-2005 2:08 PM

Theistic Evolutionism???

Creation Science

Randy cited a page from this site here.

This is a site I have never encountered before, and I have yet to explore other than a light skimming of the Randy cite. It sure looks to have a lot to offer.

From the home page:

Answers In Creation
Bringing the Bible and Science Together Without Conflict

Welcome to Answers in Creation, a creation science ministry believing in an inerrant Word of God and a literal interpretation of Genesis. We also believe the earth is billions of years old. We apply logic and common sense to creation science, and bring conservative Christianity and Old Earth Creationism together, without conflict.

It will be interesting to see how they try to achieve the above. It would seem to require some variety of theistic evolutionism.

Moose

Edit: Added last sentence and subtitle.

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Message 2 of 9 (207170)
05-11-2005 4:07 PM

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05-11-2005 2:08 PM

Re: Theistic Evolutionism???

A neat site for open minded Christians who are newbies to the debate. I started there but found it a bit lacking past the basics.

They don't explicitly support any one particular old earth paradigm. They cater to Progressive Creationists, Theistic Evos, etc. The main thing there is...gasp....promote honesty!

FOX has a pretty good system they have cooked up. 10 mil people watch the show on the network, FOX. Then 5 mil, different people, tune into FOX News to get outraged by it. I just hope that those good, God fearing people at FOX continue to battle those morally bankrupt people at FOX.
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Message 3 of 9 (207311)
05-12-2005 4:11 AM

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05-11-2005 2:08 PM

Re: Theistic Evolutionism???

i'll have to give thata look. i'm well verse in both areas, and i fail to see how they could work together.

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Message 4 of 9 (256987)
11-05-2005 12:37 AM

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05-11-2005 2:08 PM

Bumpity-Bump

I just managed to bumble onto this (somewhat) old topic I started. Seems like years ago, but it was only 6 months ago. This time I actually got a few of their articles read.

Repeating the link from message 1:
Creation Science

Note that they offer "printer friendly" PDF versions of their articles. The PDF's are also much more (IMO) reader friendly. The drawback is that the links aren't there or don't work in the PDF's, but for them you can go back to the HTML version.

Moose

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Message 5 of 9 (256997)
11-05-2005 5:50 AM

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05-12-2005 4:11 AM

Re: Theistic Evolutionism???

I read through this site a while ago myself. It uses things like the Yom/Age argument and the like IIRC.

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Message 6 of 9 (257010)
11-05-2005 7:18 AM

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11-05-2005 12:37 AM

Links to Science articles

They have some interesting links on their science news page

http://www.answersincreation.org/science_news.htm

- Global warming and fossil preservations

- Dark Matter (found? or still just theoretical)

- Oxygen levels and evolution

They seem rather proud to toot their horns about their acceptance of science in relationship to YEC views ....

I followed the last to it's link to
http://www.sciencedaily.com/...ases/2005/10/051003080102.htm

and then the link from there to
http://ur.rutgers.edu/medrel/science/falkowski.shtml

From a steady 10 percent - the level at which dinosaurs flourished - the oxygen percentage rose to 17 percent 50 million years ago and then to 23 percent by 40 million years ago. The researchers found that the rise in oxygen content in the fossil record corresponded to the rapid rise of large, placental mammals. "The more oxygen, the bigger the mammals," Falkowksi says. "We argue that the rise in oxygen content allowed mammals to become very, very large - mammals like 12-foot-tall sloths and huge saber-toothed cats. They paved the way for all subsequent large mammals, including ourselves."

The results described in Falkowski's article, "The Rise of Oxygen Over the Past 205 Million Years and the Evolution of Large Placental Mammals," stem from years of analysis of organic and inorganic core samples.

In the last 10 million years, the percentage of oxygen in the Earth's atmosphere has decreased to 21 percent. Falkowski says many scientists believed that great fires burned over the earth about 10 million years ago, reducing the number of trees, and, therefore, the amount of photosynthesis and oxygen.

The cited article is:
Falkowski et al., The Rise of Oxygen Over the Past 205 Million Years and the Evolution of Large Placental Mammals, Science 2005 309: 2202-2204

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Can be a good site for showing that not all crhristians need to find problems with evolution, fossils, age of the earth, etc, while still maintaining faith.

{abe}
The major difference I see between them and the YEC\ID sites is that they link to existing science articles outside their site, rather than articles that put spin on interpretations of articles.

I take this as a "here is the information, make up your own mind" approach.
{/abe}

Enjoy.

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Message 7 of 9 (257013)
11-05-2005 7:30 AM

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11-05-2005 12:37 AM

Re: Bumpity-Bump

Dunno,Moose, it started well and then I got to the line--'the Bible is the inerrant word of God'======

(sigh)

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Message 8 of 9 (257095)
11-05-2005 3:22 PM

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11-05-2005 5:50 AM

Re: Theistic Evolutionism???

I read through this site a while ago myself. It uses things like the Yom/Age argument and the like IIRC.

that argument annoys me. yom does not mean anything besides a literal day in that context. the whole thing could be metaphorical -- but the words don't change their literal meaning.

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Message 9 of 9 (257314)
11-06-2005 2:35 PM

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