Water transfer lower level higher level.

It is possible to naturally transfer water from a lower place to a higher place through a tube without some type of pump or motor?I need it ya know why? Because if you could, you could make a perpetual motion device. The water would fall on a turbine and then go in a bucket witch would be sucked back up to that top by a tube if it's possible.Don't say anything about how no it isn't going to work just answer the first question whether you can transfer like that or not and how to do it.

that would break the laws of physics.for starters, gravity. it is impossible to raise a mass without exerting work on it. and since energy is always lost (no matter how perfect the system) the work it takes to raise the mass will always be greater than the energy produced by its fall.you can find plans for "perpetual motion devices" that would work if it were not for that simple principle. build one and test it.

Depends on what you mean by pump or motor. It is certainly possible both in theory and practice if you use a very precise definition of pump or motor. Trees do it all the time. Nope. Wrong!

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Howcome nobody actually answered my question?How do you transfer water from a lower place to a higer place through a tube without a mechanical pump or moter?Can't you just suck the air out and let the water flow? Like when they steal gasoline? Or does that only work when the tube is lower so the water poors down. I wish it could poor up, I thaught it was possible with the pressure and the gravity and all dat bloody hell.

They're doing it at Lake Nyos:
Pages perso Orange - Domaine obsolteand it even looks like there's no "motor." But rest assured, there is one, and it'll wear down before "perpetual" arrives.

Like I said, trees do it all the time.Begin by doing a search on Capillary Action. Once you have a handle on that, tell us why you can't build a perpetual motion machine based on Capillary Action.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Yes, syphons work by gravity - the outlet has to be below the inlet. Los Angeles gets most of their water through a big syphon. Really big.This message has been edited by Coragyps, 03-18-2005 11:28 PM

It sure would solve a lot of problems wouldn't it? Unfortunately, the laws of physics, as we know them, say that it can't be done. But that hasn't prevented a lot of people from trying over the years.So much so that the US patent office refuses to even consider a patent for any invention that claims perpetual motion.

really? that's the coolest trivia i've heard all day!granted, i haven't heard any other trivia today. but it's still going in my "repository of useless knowledge" at the back of my skull.

Yea, you can google "perpetual motion" and find tons of info.Notice in my previous post I said the USPTO refuses to consider patents that "claim" perpetual motion.Evidently, there have been a few patents in recent years that were granted for perpetual motion devices but were mistakes by the USPTO that slipped through the cracks. LinkIn these cases, it was not obvious from the application that the device was based on perpetual motion.

How about this for a perpetual motion device, tell me if it could work.Two tanks of water are held up by some string type thing attached to whatever right? There is a slide leading from one tank to the other k?There is also a turbine in the slide that gets turned easily by the folw of water. This turbine is set up so that when water flows from the left tank and spins the turbine the left tank goes down. If it flows the other way from the other tank the other tank goes down.We start with one tank filled with water in one tank and make it real high so the water flows.It is setup so that the water's mass cannot just push down the tank it has to be sturdy so only the turbine handles that.The water should keep going back and forth. I think, I don't know, maybe it will run out of motion after a while but I tried.

My Dad used to talk with me about perpetual motion. He said that the reason that it never could happen is because there was always some energy used in any process. For example, if a motor was hooked up to a generator which charged a battery which ran the motor, some energy would always get used and never replace itself fully. Maybe by friction, loss of conductivity through the wires, gravational pull, etc.Dad was not a scientist, but he knew a lot about engines. In WWII, he was a motor machinists mate 2nd class on a destroyer escort.He never knew as much about spirituality as I do, but He was a great Dad all the same!Check this site out: http://www.kilty.com/pmotion.htmThis message has been edited by Phatboy, 03-19-2005 10:04 AM

Ok, I think I see, so the tanks go up and down as the water moves back and forth between the tanks while also the water is turning the turbine on the slide. Is that it?

Yes, but after thinking about it, it may not work.Perpetual Motion is ALOT harder then I thaught.

It sure is.Just when you think you might have something, there always seems to be a catch!