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Author Topic:   Right or Wrong Conclusions or Beliefs?
Larni
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Message 16 of 20 (324752)
06-22-2006 6:20 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by iano
06-22-2006 6:10 AM


Iano writes:
And whilst I'm tidying up my inbox. You can change 'believe' for 'know' here (another one for the group). I didn't want to load up to quickly on our new member by saying it straight out
Can't do that. 'Believe' and 'know' mean slighty different things.

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iano
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Message 17 of 20 (324753)
06-22-2006 6:24 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Larni
06-22-2006 6:20 AM


'Believe' and 'know' mean slighty different things
I know (rather than believe) they do. I am pointing out to you that for your reading you can extract the word believe and insert the word know. You are more familiar with my positon that JNP.

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jar
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Message 18 of 20 (324855)
06-22-2006 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jonson-Needs_proof
06-21-2006 7:58 AM


Depends on what you mean by truth.
In my opinion the Bible and all other religious texts are unreliable for the following reasons.
To some extent that really depends on what something like the Bible is to be relied on as an authority.
First, not only are there different translations of the Bible, there is no one universal canon. That means the actual books included in a canon will vary from Christian Church to Christian Church. The Western canon is different than the Ethiopian canon which in turn is different than the Samaritan canon.
What purpose did the various documents serve, were they like Numbers, Acts and Judges designed to document the history of a people or movement, like Leviticus and Deuteronomy designed to lay down laws and procedures that should be followed, like the Gospels that record different views of a personal experience or like the two creation stories found the Genesis that were meant to show different views and aspects of God.
To quote from the Clergy Project:
Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible - the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark - convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Jonson-Needs_proof
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Message 19 of 20 (324875)
06-22-2006 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by jar
06-22-2006 12:37 PM


Re: Depends on what you mean by truth.
I like what you've got in your box above here.
SORT OF sums up my position.
When it comes to what happened when it happened and all of this I wouldnt trust the bible as far as I could throw it. (I can't throw all that well)
But I have always though many of its teachings and stories do help people to develop a sence of right and wrong (not that you wouldnt with a religious text) and about human actions and interactions.
But the other side of it is what worries me. People do and have started wars based on what they think their religion tells them and worse than that people do bother me at my door to tell me I should believe what the they do.
I just wish that people would take more care over what the do with their beliefs
Edited by Jonson-Needs_proof, : Missed a word

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jar
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Message 20 of 20 (324881)
06-22-2006 1:37 PM
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06-22-2006 1:27 PM


Re: Depends on what you mean by truth.
me too.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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