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robinrohan
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Message 61 of 76 (277575)
01-09-2006 2:02 PM
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01-09-2006 1:12 PM


Well, I love your mind.
What a nice thing to say. Thanks.
I kind of wish you weren't also goodlooking
Well, we have to take people as we find them, Faith. Nobody's perfect. But it might help if I let you know that in reality I'm a fumbling bungler.

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Faith 
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Message 62 of 76 (277578)
01-09-2006 2:08 PM
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01-09-2006 2:02 PM


Maybe it helps some. But that sounds a tad depressive to me.
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robinrohan
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Message 63 of 76 (277612)
01-09-2006 6:16 PM
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01-09-2006 2:08 PM


Maybe it helps some. But that sounds a tad depressive to me
I wanted to let you know what I was really like.
But you did make my day.

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Message 64 of 76 (277613)
01-09-2006 6:18 PM
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01-09-2006 6:16 PM


I'm glad I made your day.
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robinrohan
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Message 65 of 76 (277615)
01-09-2006 6:20 PM
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01-09-2006 6:18 PM


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Message 66 of 76 (277616)
01-09-2006 6:24 PM
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01-09-2006 6:20 PM


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robinrohan
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Message 67 of 76 (277641)
01-09-2006 9:59 PM
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01-09-2006 6:24 PM


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Silent H
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Message 68 of 76 (278014)
01-11-2006 7:47 AM
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01-09-2006 9:59 PM


CS Lewis on Romance vs Sex
I found an interesting quote by CS Lewis on the topic and thought you might be interested. Those who follow him as a Xian writer might be even more interested...
"Mortal lovers must not try to remain at the first step; for lasting passion is the dream of a harlot and from it we wake in despair." - C.S. Lewis
Perhaps God made love and passion only temporary for a reason?

holmes
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Message 69 of 76 (278015)
01-11-2006 7:49 AM
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01-11-2006 7:47 AM


Re: CS Lewis on Romance vs Sex
quote:
Perhaps God made love and passion only temporary for a reason?
There are different kinds of love and different kinds of passion.

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jar
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Message 70 of 76 (278035)
01-11-2006 9:04 AM
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01-11-2006 7:47 AM


Re: CS Lewis on Romance vs Sex
IIRC that is from Pilgrim'sRegression which was Lewis first novel. It is semi-autobiographical, and that particular phrase was not dealing with romance or sex at all, but only with his journey towards his final Christian Faith. It is an allegorical reference to his early Christian days where his belief was an unquestioning infatuation and his later belief which was calmer, more mature, more questioning.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Faith 
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Message 71 of 76 (278046)
01-11-2006 9:18 AM
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01-11-2006 9:04 AM


Re: CS Lewis on Romance vs Sex
That makes sense, jar, consistent with what I recall of Lewis' writings. Finally something I can agree with you about.

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Silent H
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Message 72 of 76 (278090)
01-11-2006 10:51 AM
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01-11-2006 9:04 AM


Re: CS Lewis on Romance vs Sex
that particular phrase was not dealing with romance or sex at all, but only with his journey towards his final Christian Faith. It is an allegorical reference to his early Christian days where his belief was an unquestioning infatuation and his later belief which was calmer, more mature, more questioning.
Well that could be true. I did not find it while reading lewis, I found it in a couple online services for quotations. However:
1) It was in the sex section, not faith. Its possible they were in error of course but that looks like what he is dicussing.
2) If he was going to choose allegory for faith, why on earth would he choose sex?
3) I don't see how the quote suggests what you claim is the allegory. I mean it could still be allegory about faith, but this does not seem to be the difference between infatuatuon and mature questioning. It seems to be about wanting initial emotion to last forever, without accepting its natural conclusion.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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Message 73 of 76 (278097)
01-11-2006 11:02 AM
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01-11-2006 9:04 AM


Re: CS Lewis on Romance vs Sex
This guy suggests that CS Lewis was discussing love, with respect to marriage...
Love is moral even without legal marriage, but marriage is immoral without love. (Ellen Key)
If Ellen Kay equates "love" with "romantic feelings" then today's quote puts forward a bad thought. CS Lewis refers to romantic love as "the first step" in marriage and observes (with typically perfect accuracy): Mortal lovers must not try to remain at the first step; for lasting passion is the dream of a harlot and from it we wake in despair.
Note this writer is a Xian, discussing Xian concepts.

holmes
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robinrohan
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Message 74 of 76 (278120)
01-11-2006 11:34 AM
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01-11-2006 7:49 AM


Re: CS Lewis on Romance vs Sex
There are different kinds of love and different kinds of passion
Yes, there are 2 types of love: (1)romance and (2)affection.
Romance is temporary. Affection can last a lifetime.
Also, I would distinguish between romance and sexual desire per se. There have been many women I wanted to go to bed with that I was not in the least enchanted by. I just liked their bodies. I suppose one might argue that I was enchanted by their legs or something, but of course by romance I mean enchantment with the whole being. It doesn't happen very often.
But these remarks are just based on my own experience. For all I know, other people might be different.

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jar
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Message 75 of 76 (278134)
01-11-2006 12:05 PM
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01-11-2006 10:51 AM


Re: CS Lewis on Romance vs Sex
Well that could be true. I did not find it while reading lewis, I found it in a couple online services for quotations. However:
I don't doubt that at all, but I'm pretty sure it was from his first novel, and although it's been many, many decades since reading it, it was one of the books we read and discussed as part of Sacred Studies.
Again,it's been a long,long time since I read it, I doubt I even have a copy anymore. But the analogy is not that far off. The camparision with the overwhelming infatuation of many people when they first discover something new, be it sex, love, religion or Jamaican Blue Mountain Coffee, is far different than what one experience as one gains greater familarity, experience and maturity.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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