Iraqi Elections Now History

100% agree. They are in the business of selling commercials. But so is non-US media.To answer your question, because other journalists would jump all over an organization for false reporting. Just look at CBS and memogate.

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Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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Publically funded media, including news programs are not in the business of selling commercials. That is why (in my opinion) US news outlets have been increasingly worse as news sources while foreign media have stayed at decent levels.That does not make them impervious to bad reporting, but it does make them less susceptible to propagandizing and overhyping. What was this and why does it blame all other media outlets except Fox, while at the same time allowing you to dismiss the vast amounts of criticism of Fox's handling of news from other organizations? Scraf provided you with some non-partisan criticisms. Let's have a fair and balanced answer to them.Oh by the way, she also provided you links to the congressional report which countered the old news claims you had posted. That was in another thread which you appear to have strategically exited. Are you ever going to address the latest and most comprehensive state of data on the subject, or are old news reports also sufficient and beyond criticism?This message has been edited by holmes, 02-02-2005 09:09 AM

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)"...don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard, I just read the Daily News and swear by every word.."(Steely Dan)

To be fair, Tal said that he couldn't access pdf files, and that's what the entire congressional report online consisted of.OTOH, I offered at least two or three times to download and cut n paste to a thread on EvC any particular part of the report he wanted to see, and he has not reponded at all to my offers.Tal is just like the mother who's new husband is molesting her children and she dismisses and denies seeing the obvious signs because it is too painful and uncomfortable to see them.They just don't want to know.

Tal, I am getting sick and tired of providing you with all of this information, only to have you completely blow it off.FAIR is a highly reputable, non-partisan media watchdog group. Those kinds of groups are the best defense we have against biased, misleading, and false media reports.Do you need me to go to other media watch groups and give you 20 or 30 more links from them about Fox News?I feel very much like you are giving me the runaround and I do not appreciate it one bit.Read the goddamned links and let's discuss them, or give me one good reason why you won't.Page not found - FAIR
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Truebelief appears to be the wave of the future... the new dark age, where ignorance is caused by an abundance of information people don't want to invest time in assessing, as well as misinformation tastefully crafted, rather than the absence of information altogether.Tal's posts keep reminding me how much I miss Zephyr, I wonder what's up with him these days.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)"...don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard, I just read the Daily News and swear by every word.."(Steely Dan)

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Truebelief appears to be the wave of the future... the new dark age, where ignorance is caused by an abundance of information people don't want to invest time in assessing, as well as misinformation tastefully crafted, rather than the absence of information altogether.

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I heard an interesting journalist on TOTN yesterday about how people in the US have allowed what "freedom" in the US means to change.In the past, "freedom" here used to refer to the rights of individual citizens to security, privacy, to know what is going on with their government (transparency), to participate in democracy, and in having extensive civil rights that were held to be sacred.Those were the traditional "liberal democratic" things that all US citizens were meant to enjoy and were what made us the most free and greatest country in the world.In extensive interviews with many average US citizens, this journalist was disturbed to learn that people think of freedom very differently now. They believe that "freedom" in the US refers to things like being able to make as much money as possible, and that civil liberties were viewed as negatives or that people who considered them important were viewed as quite suspicious.That kind of thing is terrifying to me, that people can be that easily manipulated and completely stupid.(ABE: The speaker is actually Orlando Patterson, a Harvard professor of Sociology, and the book is called, "Freedom: Freedom in the Modern World")

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Tal's posts keep reminding me how much I miss Zephyr, I wonder what's up with him these days.

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Well, wouldn't it be interesting to read what he would think of Tal's opinions, eh?This message has been edited by schrafinator, 02-03-2005 12:53 AM

I agree with this sentiment though have a slightly different take. Originally people viewed freedom as the ability to do something, now they believe in freedom as the ability not to have to deal with things other people do.In other words it has changed from "freedom to" to "freedom from". Intolerance along with ignorance is also the new norm.I did see an article (perhaps it was from this same author's book) about how students thought it was against the law to burn flags and felt freedom of communication went to far. Man somebody oughta shut these kids up! heheheh.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)"...don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard, I just read the Daily News and swear by every word.."(Steely Dan)

Why would they? The purpose of a commercial news outfit is to make money, not report accurate news.