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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
GOP Voter Drive Accused of Tossing Cards (click for full article)
In several battleground states across the country, a consulting firm funded by the Republican National Committee has been accused of deceiving would-be voters and destroying Democratic voter registration cards. Sproul declined to name the states in which his company conducted registration drives. His political consulting firm was founded last year and has received nearly $500,000 from the RNC since July, according to federal election records. Former canvassers such as Banse have come forward in West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Nevada and Oregon in the past two weeks alleging they were told to register only Republicans and to ``walk away'' from people who said they intended to vote for Democrat John Kerry. It is illegal to tamper with voter registration cards, which are numbered and issued by local election officials. In some states, including Oregon, such acts are felonies. Now in seven states and counting. This is not a football game people: this is the heart of freedom, liberty, justice and equality, and the venality of the GOP to play fast and loose with it shows how corrupt and immoral they are. I would like to see anyone justify this behavior ... any takers? This message has been edited by RAZD, 01-03-2005 20:01 AM we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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paisano Member (Idle past 6452 days) Posts: 459 From: USA Joined: |
If true, there is no justification for it, and it should be prosecuted.
While we are at it let's also prosecute the Democrat vote fraud: -votes for crack cocaine case in Ohio, CNN.com - Mary Poppins prompts investigation - Oct 18, 2004 -attempted exclusion of Republican voter registrations in Floridaby the extreme leftist group ACORN http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/2/183158.shtml Let's not mention the Democrats preferring that convicted felons vote, but not active duty military personnel... Are you sure you want to go here ?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
that the democratic party has had to adopt techniques used by the neocons is not a surprise.
that either group will resort to questionable methods is also not a surprise. the surprise is that people are complacent about it or even seem to approve of it. yes I want to go there: get all the facts on the table, all the accusations and all the evidence and prosecute the pants off of those responsible for wrong-doing. and when it come to who should be elegible to vote, may I suggest one that the revolutionary war was based on: taxation without representation is tyranny ... ... if you pay taxes to a local community you should get a vote in that community, when you pay taxes in a state you should get a vote in that state, and if you pay taxes to the feceral government then you should get a vote in that government. whether you are a crack-head or a multi-millionare ceo with homes in 15 states. the questin should not be who can vote and who can run, but how that vote can be counted to end up with the best result for the country. and your list is only a few hundred total, while the GOP fraud involves thousands. people who want to believe that their side is being the moral guide will ignore evidence to the contrary. yes, lets go there. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
So, on one hand, you've got a massive campaign of voter fraud perpatrated by a multi-state organization taking money directly from the GOP.
On the other, you've got isolated incidents of potential fraud occuring without input from the DNC. Exactly where do you get any kind of equivalency from this?
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paisano Member (Idle past 6452 days) Posts: 459 From: USA Joined: |
So, on one hand, you've got a massive campaign of voter fraud perpatrated by a multi-state organization taking money directly from the GOP. Correction, you have allegations of this, at this point. I don't see nay hard evidence in the article. If someone is arrested and charged, get back to me. In the Ohio case, someone has been arrested and charged. By the way, since when are the NAACP and ACORN not large, multi-state organizations ?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
By the way, since when are the NAACP and ACORN not large, multi-state organizations ? Well, I've never heard of ACORN. Maybe they are what you say they are. Are either being paid by the DNC?
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paisano Member (Idle past 6452 days) Posts: 459 From: USA Joined: |
Correct me If I am wrong, but is not voter registration avaliable at the motor vehicle department in most states? And at city halls, county courthouses, town and village halls, etc ?
Do you have hard evidence...not allegations, but hard evidence...that any group is being barred from registering at these venues ?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
so?
we are talking about people who intentionally let others think they are doing them a service to get them registered, thus leaving them free to shop at the mall rather than go register. and then throwing away any registration that isn't republican that is fraud. and again: why shouldn't every single person in the US be allowed to vote? what is special about being a citizen, a registered voter that is different? this country is supposed to be about equality, justice, freedom and liberty, and NOT about being good enough to be a citizen by some arbitrary standard that half the people don't qualify under anyway. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Verzem Inactive Member |
I feel that it should be absolutely illegal to identify any party affilitations on voter registrations. That way no one would know which registrations to tamper with and the problem would not exist.
It would mean that states would have to have "open" primaries and I can understand why some party loyalists are against that. But that can be dealt with by the parties themselves. They could have their own conventions (or private primaries, or some such thing) and then offer up only their one chosen candidate for any given office. Personally, I don't like the primary election process excepting for non-partisan positions where the two highest vote getters then face off in a general election. Verzem
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
heh
see http://EvC Forum: A Voting Declaration of Rights how about national primaries where the selection of all the candidates is winnowed down to a smaller number? say a primary where you vote {YES or NO} for each candidate and the top 10 go to a second round in a month with DEBATES in between the "secondary" would then winnow it down to the top 5 candidates, who then choose running mates and participate in more debates until the final vote, where each possible pair combination (10 for 5 candidates) is used to pick ALL your preferences among the 5? have all the registration issues settled through voting in the primary ... use this as a registration tool. there are ways to improve the voting system, and this should be done so that we can have the best voting system in the world: there is no reason to demand less is there? we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Verzem Inactive Member |
IMO, that would be better than what we have now.
What I am concerned about is that if we have something happen like happened in 2000, or worse; we will be held in ridicule to the world who will then question whether the U.S. is qualified to impose elections on other countries. Maybe the U.N. needs to oversee the U.S. election! Verzem
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
and least in the third world states like florida ...
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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paisano Member (Idle past 6452 days) Posts: 459 From: USA Joined: |
why shouldn't every single person in the US be allowed to vote? Aside from the fact that it's unconstitutional and illegal ? Because citizenship is a matter of state soverignty and entails responsibilities as well as rights.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Aside from the fact that it's unconstitutional and illegal ? To what degree is it unconstitutional? The Constitution is very clear about what criteria cannot be used to deny the vote.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Let's talk about which party wants people to register to vote and which party does not.
The following is an excerpt from an explanation of the so called "Motor-Voter" system. This is a system which would reach many poor and underrepresented populations which tend to not have high voter turnout. Bold added by me
The NVRA requires state agencies to register citizens to vote when they get drivers' licenses (hence "motor voter"), Food Stamps, Medicaid, AFDC and WIC as well as at agencies that provide services to people with disabilities. Although the NVRA has proven to be a great opportunity to expand political participation, some politicians still see it simply as a threat. The lines have been drawn for a partisan battle. Elected officials across the board fear changing the composition of the electorate that put them in office, but the attacks on motor voter have come almost exclusively from members of the Republican party. Many Republicans fear that new registrants will tend to vote Democratic. Some NVRA opponents have introduced bills to repeal the NVRA outright, others have refused to implement the NVRA in their states, and still others created plans to implement the law in minimal, ineffective ways.On the first day of the 104th Congress, four Republicans introduced bills that would block implementation of motor voter: Sen. Coverdell (GA) introduced S. 91 to block implementation unless Federal funds are made available; Rep. Livingston (LA) and Manzullo (IL), each introduced separate bills (H.R. 60 and H.R. 326) to make the NVRA "voluntary;" and Rep. Stump (AZ) introduced H.R. 370 to repeal the NVRA. Rep. Linder (GA) later introduced H.R. 736, companion legislation to the Coverdell bill, and Sen. McConnell (KY) later introduced S. 218, another repeal effort. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 10-24-2004 05:02 PM
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