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New Cat's Eye
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Message 154 of 211 (634000)
09-18-2011 2:05 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by Dawn Bertot
09-17-2011 9:31 PM


No, there are no other possibilites than the only two, for the existence of things
There are other possibilites for many other things and there are more types of responses.
But no example of either possibilites or responses will fall outside of willing or able
So what?

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Message 157 of 211 (634029)
09-18-2011 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by Dawn Bertot
09-18-2011 8:51 AM


there is no term that can be used in any scenario, that cannot be described as willing or able.
Sure there can: Ambivalent and/or apathetic.
We can use those terms in certain scenarios where their descriptions are not unwilling or unable.
But then, you could just re-describe the words so that they do fit. Still though, we can use the words in our way to make the scenario.

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Message 163 of 211 (634108)
09-19-2011 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by Dawn Bertot
09-18-2011 4:59 PM


As I pointed out earlier apathy and ambivlence do not happen is a mila-second and they cannot be seperated from will itself.
Sure they can, I'm willing to do it but I just don't care whether it gets done or not... so it may or may not get done depending on the circumstances and yet I'm willing.
RAZD would need to demonstrate how one could have apathy without will in the first place, for apathy to be not willing.
No, not necessarily. Unless you're tring to broaden the verb "to will" into a catch-all term. But then, you're just creating a tautology so you're really not saying much of anything at all. So whoopty-frickin'-doo.
There is no need to resescribe another term to make it fit willing or able, because there is no other term for either of them, IMV
Huh? Are you seriously claiming there are no synonyms for those words? There's a thesaurus online....

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Message 166 of 211 (634121)
09-19-2011 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by RAZD
09-19-2011 11:35 AM


Re: special cases do not prove the general case
My arguments apply to the general case.
Yeah, I did get that.
I think you could set it up either way, depending on how you want to use the words. And I think that makes it a less interesting debate than the one about what Spock said in Star Trek... but that's just me.
Not that that's gonna stop me from participating

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Message 174 of 211 (634209)
09-19-2011 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by RAZD
09-19-2011 9:24 PM


Re: several terms already provided - no refutation
Until RAZD can provide another term that does not fall under willing and able he has failed. He would have presented that word a long time ago, had he been able.
Amusingly, several have been supplied. See Message 169 for a recap of those words.
Curiously, I have provided several terms and conditions:
  • Ambivalence (conflicted)
  • Apathy (don't care)
  • Insufficient time (being done, not done yet)
  • Programs (such as security programs)
  • Compulsions (compulsive action \ compulsive inaction)
  • Rules
  • Choice by chance (flipping a coin)
To which is added [chaotic] conditions and [forgetful]ness.
But you "could" have those fall under willing and/or able if you use the words in that way. Like how Spock was using the term willing to mean/imply accomplishing the task, so, say, ambivalence could be consider as acting on your will to do it, thereby making you "unwilling", or you could consider it a problem that prevents your ability to do it, as in you can't do it because you're so ambivalent.

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