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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3972 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
Outward expansions start by accelerating. After that they slow down. The expansion is not ongoing, like an 'accelerating expansion.'
I explain this in my 'Observational Evidence' on page 1.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Peter Lamont writes:
Yes, outward expansions accelerate. Outward expansions start by accelerating.I agree. But you don't seem to agree:
Peter Lamont writes: You have an accelerating expansion that goes Outward. Outward expansions all slow down and stop. The only kind of expansion that accelerates is Inward.Peter Lamont writes: Panda, Outward expansions all slow down and stop. The only kind of expansion that accelerates is Inward (they all do.) Too bad you can't see this. Peter Lamont writes: If the expansion is accelerating, it's Inward. Outward expansions all slow down and stop. Only Inward expansions accelerate.Peter Lamont writes: Any 'accelerating expansion' is Inward. For one thing - Outward Expansions all slow down and stop. The only kind of expansion that accelerates is Inward. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You lost6 me again, No Nukes. No idea what you're talking about. Surely you can at least see the irony in your posting a message asking me to be more "coherant". But more to the point, asking me to be more clear in response to the collection of belly-farts that make up your position in this thread approaches Ozymandias level hubris. "We're going in?" Please.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Peter Lamont writes: Observational evidence ? That all the Observable Universe was in the same place? What nonsense! The observational evidence says that you already responded to this message a few days ago, and now evidently caught up in your hysteria you have become opaque to such details and have replied again. And I see you've also done a double reply to my Message 87. To touch lightly on one of your points, like the story of being chased by a bear, it isn't necessary that I be smarter than Newton, only smarter and saner than you. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Peter Lamont writes: As for the 'gibberish', please point some out to me. I assume you can. Instructions for finding the gibberish of Peter Lamont:
--Percy
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
And yes, experiments are evidence. They're evidence of something. They aren't evidence in support of your thesis until you make an evidence-based connection between then, not just a wild extrapolation. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
No, Catholic Scientist, you're wrong. Air moving towards the nozzle of a Central-Vac... Okay, so we have a Vac in the center of a room. All the air is moving towards it. The air on the left side of the room is moving towards the center of the room and the air on the right side of the room is moving towards the center of the room. Therefore, the air on the left side of the room is moving towards the air on the right side of the room and the air on the right side of the room is moving towards the air on the left side of the room. Do you understand that?
...will lose pressure and that's the same as expansion. Not necessarily. Take an amount of an ideal gas and confine it to a fixed volume so that it cannot expand. Then, lower the temperature of that gas. The pressure lowers and the gas does not expand. PV=nRT
When things expand, they move away from each other. If the case of our vortex example, things are moving towards each other in the X-Y plane (left or right and up or down on your computer screen), the direction they are moving away from each other is in the Z-direction (back into the depths of your screen). Before the air starts going into the vacuum, expanding into the depths of your screen, they are moving towards each other (from the left and right of the screen towards the center). Do you understand?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Just as I say, Catholic Scientist, explosions begin by accelerating. What you said was:
quote: That is a false statement. While the explosion is exploding, the expansion is accelerating outward.
The accelerating expansion of the Observable Universe is ongoing, drawn by Gravity towards a Central Point, just like I describe in my "Observational Evidence," on page 1. Your description has been proven wrong. If you were right, we would see a lot of blue shifted galaxies... but we don't.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Taq, Nopbody can see the Universe. There is no evidence for an expanding Universe. We can see distant galaxies, and the evidence for an expanding universe is that these galaxies are redshifted with the amount of redshift correlating to distance. You keep ignoring this evidence and the empirical fact that we can observe the universe.
The CMB is heat left over from the time in the evolution of the Universe from a hot. slow moving, compressed state to the cold, high speed highly expanded state we see tonite. You claim that all matter is moving towards the center of a vortex and getting closer together which is the opposite of expansion.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Actually, Taq, Inward Expansion No, it doesn't. It is an oxymoron.
Air moving toward the nozzle of Central-Vac will start slowly and then accelerate, losing pressure It gains pressure as more air is forced into a smaller space. The loss in pressure is on the other side of the nozzle where matter moves away from each other.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
In my 'Observational Evidence,' I offer 3 experiments, which I call 'Observations' but actually they are scientific experiments. None of which actually deal with the expansion of spacetime.
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3972 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
Panda, I repeat, explosions (Big-Bang) start by accelerating. That's the initial kick. How long does an explosion last - half a second?
An 'accelerating expansion' starts slowly and then accelerates in the manner of any Inward Expansion. (See my Observational Evidence on page 1). It is ongoing, as is the 'accelerating expansion' of the Observable Universe. We are going in, not out. Any 'accerlerating expansion' is Inward. Outward Expansions all slow down and eventually stop. Let me know what you think. As for those statements I made, I stand by them.
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3972 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
No Nukes,
This is the 'Mable Theory,' Mable being the Mother of All Black hoLEs. Mable has the most attractive body in the Universe - the black hole at the center nof the Universe. This theory breaks no Laws. You call these Laws, 'Belly-Farts', that's your opinion, of course. It tells me more about you, No Nukes, Any accelerating expansion is inward; Outward expansions all slow down and stop. That's just the Nature of the beast. If it's accelerating while it's expanding, that's Inward. Inward expansions all start slowly and then accelerate. I explain this clearly in my 'Observational Evidence' on page 1. Ozymandias level hubris? That's supposed to be clear? I don't think so!
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3972 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
Percy, Just because you believe the UIniverse is run by Anti-Gravity, like the rest of the world, doesn't make me wrong. If you understood these 'accelerating expansions,' you'd see they're all Inward.
It's Gravity that runs the Universe, that keeps the Moon orbiting Earth - not Anti-Gravity. Too bad you can't see this.
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3972 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
I did that. I went back top my message 1, about the Evolution of the Universe. Darwin had the same problem, up against years of 'conditioning', what chance did he have? And yet, his theory is the one that survives to this day.
You believe in a Universe that was created instantly. Just like in the Bible. Are you religous, Percy? You can tell me.
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