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Author Topic:   Why was celibacy originally introduced?
IrishRockhound
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Message 16 of 28 (61151)
10-16-2003 7:24 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by BarlowGirl
10-15-2003 8:19 PM


Re: Lets consult a Catholic Website... shall we?
Is it just the RCC that has the whole celibacy thing? I do wonder...

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Message 17 of 28 (61180)
10-16-2003 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by IrishRockhound
10-16-2003 7:24 AM


Re: Lets consult a Catholic Website... shall we?
Hmm... well, I do too now. I still think that the main purpose was to keep priests just focused on God. However, we all know how that's working out right now.
Maybe the Roman Catholic Church should make Celibacy totally voluteerly... kind of like they seem to claim on that one website.
It would elimnate some problems. The Catholic Church is too stuck on their Tradtions. Although, I wish they still had their masses in all Latin, that would have been pretty cool, except that most people didn't have a clue what was going on some of the times.

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crashfrog
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Message 18 of 28 (61267)
10-16-2003 7:27 PM
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10-16-2003 11:24 AM


I still think that the main purpose was to keep priests just focused on God.
When has that ever worked? When has denying something to somebody ever made them focus on anything but the precise thing that you're denying them?
We covet what we can't have. Enforced celibacy is a sure-fire way to ensure that the celibate will be obsessed with sex. Just talk to any 16-year-old boys. (Or girls, for all I know.)

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Message 19 of 28 (61269)
10-16-2003 7:35 PM
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10-16-2003 7:27 PM


We covet what we can't have. Enforced celibacy is a sure-fire way to ensure that the celibate will be obsessed with sex. Just talk to any 16-year-old boys. (Or girls, for all I know.)
Or the RCC should allow auto-eroticism (hope that's cryptic enough for the sexually sensitive). That hold-over still seems overly Victorian in nature.
hehehe, just got me thinking about the French Tickler skit in "The Meaning of Life." "I'm Protestant, and proud of it!"

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crashfrog
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Message 20 of 28 (61270)
10-16-2003 7:43 PM
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10-16-2003 7:35 PM


Or the RCC should allow auto-eroticism (hope that's cryptic enough for the sexually sensitive).
Hey, masturbation isn't just for the celibate. But yeah, nobody should be made to feel guilty because they're taking matters into their own hand, so to speak.

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IrishRockhound
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Message 21 of 28 (61333)
10-17-2003 7:28 AM
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10-16-2003 7:43 PM


I think it would still be healthier to just allow celibacy to be voluntary. Masturbation can't fill in for a wife forever.

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Message 22 of 28 (61344)
10-17-2003 9:08 AM
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10-17-2003 7:28 AM


quote:
Masturbation can't fill in for a wife forever.
OK, so I know you probably did not mean this in as crass a way as it came off, but...
eww.

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Message 23 of 28 (61422)
10-17-2003 8:26 PM
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10-17-2003 9:08 AM


"When has that ever worked? When has denying something to somebody ever made them focus on anything but the precise thing that you're denying them?
We covet what we can't have. Enforced celibacy is a sure-fire way to ensure that the celibate will be obsessed with sex. Just talk to any 16-year-old boys. (Or girls, for all I know.)" -Crashfrog
That's not a really fair statement, "When has it ever worked?". I'm pretty sure the priest of the local Catholic Church here has never done any of that. I hope. How are we soo postively sure that the majority of those reports weren't fake? I'm sure there are some dishonest people out there that are dissatified with that Catholic Church and would love to get some money of them just be making up a fake scandel.. ya know...
You know what I find pretty interesting. One would think that a Catholic priest shouldn't smoke, yet my priest does. In the courtyard... cigarette butts all over the place, he could at least throw them away properly.

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crashfrog
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Message 24 of 28 (61430)
10-17-2003 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by BarlowGirl
10-17-2003 8:26 PM


I'm pretty sure the priest of the local Catholic Church here has never done any of that.
Oh, I'm sure he's been celibate. But I guarantee you he's thought about sex as much as any other man. The worst part is he's probably chewed himself out for it, too - that tricky Catholic guilt. too bad he's just doing what's natural for adult humans.
How are we soo postively sure that the majority of those reports weren't fake?
Well, that's a fair question. In this case it's because of multiple, independant reports from multiple people with no connection to each other. Apparently the Church took the reports seriously enough to shuffle priests around like a game of pedophile musical chairs (although not seriously enough to actually do something about the problem.)
One would think that a Catholic priest shouldn't smoke, yet my priest does.
The Bible doesn't say you can't smoke. Or drink, really.

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Message 25 of 28 (61534)
10-18-2003 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by crashfrog
10-17-2003 8:51 PM


I never said there was any passage that said you couldn't smoke, or drink... I just said "one would think" that a priest wouldn't, especially a Catholic one.

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IrishRockhound
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Message 26 of 28 (61804)
10-20-2003 5:44 PM


Hah! Not in Ireland, not in a million years! The priests here smoke and drink as much as the next man.
quote:
How are we soo postively sure that the majority of those reports weren't fake? I'm sure there are some dishonest people out there that are dissatified with that Catholic Church and would love to get some money of them just be making up a fake scandel.. ya know...
Take that back. NOW.
You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
The Rock Hound

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Rei
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Message 27 of 28 (61805)
10-20-2003 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by IrishRockhound
10-20-2003 5:44 PM


Rock, stay calm...
I know what it's like to get overincensed by topics like this... sometimes, things hit you personally.
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"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

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IrishRockhound
Member (Idle past 4465 days)
Posts: 569
From: Ireland
Joined: 05-19-2003


Message 28 of 28 (61807)
10-20-2003 6:12 PM
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10-20-2003 5:57 PM


No. I'm not letting this go.
If you don't live here, you can't possibly understand what this means. You can't understand a betrayal that goes back decades, perpetrated by the people who were supposed to protect you. I am calm - but I'm not going to listen to anyone call the victims of this liars. It's on a par with someone like me mouthing off about the people who died in the Twin Towers - and you can bet that everyone here would jump down my throat for it.
These are my countrymen and women you're talking about, and I have a right to defend them.
The Rock Hound

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