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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
What evidence? Oh, you know - the genetic evidence, the geologic evidence, the evidence from nuclear physics, the taxonomic evidence, the biogeographical evidence, the evidence from cladistics and stratiography... You know, all the evidence you ignore when we present it to you.
Highly dubious the bones could tell you their exact age, time of existence, time of extinction, what they looked like, what killed them, male or female, how did they live & act etc. And you come to this conclusion exactly how? After all criminal forensics makes conclusions about those things that stand up in court. Since I don't see you protesting the use of forensic evidence in Australian courtrooms I can only conclude that you accept forensics just so long as it's not telling you something you don't want to hear.
Facts do not speak for themselves. As a matter of fact they do, if you have the eyes to see and the ears to listen. The facts are shouting at you, but you're too busy sticking your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes to know it. Don't you ever tire of willful ignorance, Almeyda? Aren't you tired of being wrong, yet?
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almeyda Inactive Member |
lol All that evidence ay? . All that doesnt explain nothing. And no im not tired because i believe i am right.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
All that doesnt explain nothing. Actually, it's a great explanation for the diversity and origin of species on Earth. To everyone but you, apparently.
And no im not tired because i believe i am right. Well, your belief and 50 cents will buy you a cup of coffee. The rest of us aren't convinced by belief. We're convinced by evidence. And the fact that you can't ever provide any is the clearest indication, to anyone of intellectual honesty, that your beliefs are wrong. Look, if creationism is right and there's really all this evidence for it, then why on Earth are you so bad at arguing it? Hell, I even told you what you would have to show to disprove evolution for me, and you weren't able to do it. On the other hand, when I asked you what evidence would disprove creation, all you could do was stammer that evolution would disprove creation. Well, I've proven evolution, but you're a liar - you still won't abandon creationism even after I've shown you how it was wrong. Doesn't it bother you just a little bit that here, on the side of evolution we've got brilliant minds with expertise and degrees, brilliant minds and brilliant writers, and on your side you have all the high school kids who can't even use complete sentences and think absolutely nothing about lying for Christ? No, of course it doesn't. Oh, well.
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almeyda Inactive Member |
lol. Crashfrog, your alrite.
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AdminBrian Inactive Member |
Hi Almeyda,
Do you have difficulty understanding topic titles? This is the second thread in the last hour or so that you have dragged quite far off-topic. You have to try and keep on topic, this is about the biblical description of Satan, evidence for evolution doesn't belong here. Try and focus please. AdminBrian
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One_Charred_Wing Member (Idle past 6184 days) Posts: 690 From: USA West Coast Joined: |
mike the wiz writes: Very poetic Revelation though isn't it? I mean, you could say Jesus is described as the lamb of God and so, must really be an actual lamb?? Another time in revalations Jesus is described in a way that redefines the word badass. I'm sorry, blood-dipped gown, sword that comes out of his mouth... Awesomeness and a half! Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Arrgh. Kids these days. Whatever happened to bungle and zippy being cool?
Badass eh? Lol, that's a new definition I'll put in my journal.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
What about when satan tried to tempt Christ? Do you think he would have appeared as this dragon or in a "man" or "angel" form? The temptation of Jesus leaves some unanswered questions. I don't mean by that that I doubt it in the least, but unable to understand how it happened. The text says that Satan took Jesus to Jerusalem from the wilderness and set him up on a pinacle and challenged him to jump, quoting Scripture that he would not be allowed to be harmed. Whether this was effected through a vision or whether he actually took Jesus there and physically set him on a pinacle is unclear. Both beings being supernatural and since Jesus, while on earth was fulfilling a human role but on occasions operating supernaturally, it's likely he subjected himself to a certain amount of manipulation by the devil for this event, knowing he would teach Satan a lesson by it, not to mess with him in such a manner again. He also did it for the record, demonstrating to the world how do deal with this formidable enemy of mankind's body and soul. Nothing is given here as to his appearance, but he knew who Jesus was and Jesus knew who he was. This was a desperate attempt by him to effect the demise of Jesus by causing him to sin by disobeying the Father in submitting to Satan.
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almeyda Inactive Member |
Understood, I got carried away sorry.
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AdminBrian Inactive Member |
No probs Almeyda, thanks for your help.
I have been trying to reply to your new Bible prophecy topic but there must be a bug in the system, i cannot reply for some reason, I have e-mailed Percy about it, so hang on a little longer please. AdminBrian.
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almeyda Inactive Member |
Ok. Sorry i posted it again but i thought you guys may have forgot about it or something.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
While I.m not sure I should be continuing this off-topic string of posts I seriously suggest that instead of copying somebody elses selection of supposedly fulfilled prophecies that you try to apply the criteria I suggested and come up with a few examples that actually stand up to examination.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Both beings being supernatural and since Jesus, while on earth was fulfilling a human role but on occasions operating supernaturally, it's likely he subjected himself to a certain amount of manipulation by the devil for this event Great point. I think personally that satan would have been trying hard to tempt Christ thinking he could do it as easily as he does with regular humans. You are right to point out how Christ was subject to a human role in that we can see also, the differences between them. Jesus doesn't abuse his power and gives an example of the nature of God, afterall, it would have been easy for God to make the stone bread and demonstrate "power". For me this is a very important aspect to the realities of our supernatural God. It fits well with reality and has the truth written all over it. Maybe we can reconcile satan's appearance in our minds, by figuring him to be a charming beast/dragon. Also, going back to the different use of power, I notice that satan is the "quick fix" or even the "appearance of being fixed" when dealing with our problems, in short - don't do a bargain with the devil. Whereas with Christ, he is the planter of seeds..hence the growth of good things. Healing/faith.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
What evidence? All you have are dead bones?. you relize you're fielding an attack on a major division of science, paleontology, right? from a few bones or an incomplete skeleton we can tell:* the general kind of animal if not species, * gender * what it ate * how all of the muscles attached * age * important history of the particular animal (did something try to eat it?) * how it died. * how long ago it died. read a bit about the science of paleontology, and you'll learn about this. oh, and that's from inorganic CASTS of dead bones. not real dead bones. also, the biblical description of behemoth doesn't sound like a dinosaur. the uhh, description of it's penis, though it rather interesting. symbolic even. This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 05-23-2004 11:29 PM
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Behemoth seems to fit that of a dinasaur rather because he would not boast about Satan to Job about his creation and power. But of course evolutionary indoctrination stops many of you even considering it may have been a dinasaur while humans were still alive. context is important. what god is talking about in job 40-41 is pride, and how it's appearance can be decieving. if we ignore context, meaning is distorted. did you know the bible contains the phrase "there is no god" twelve times?
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