I want to be convinced - an experiment

I don't need to ask any questions. They asked you questions. The question was whether you could give any Bible prophecies that were cleary fulfilled, using some evidence for that fulfillment other than the Bible. They also asked you if you had any proof for God speaking to people other than the Bible says so. Not lying. They asked you the above questions, and you told them to go ask CRI instead. Gosh, and here I was hoping I had something to do with her being led to Christ. You better warn Sarde, because she's emailing me, and I'm under the impression I'm encouraging her to follow Christ. Why would I want to do that? If Christ, God and Creation aren't true, then I'm making some stupid choices for how I live my life.Error 404 (Not Found)!!1That's where I live.Now, on the other hand, if you want me to disprove CRI as representatives of Christ, God, and creation, then I might be willing to take that up!

Truthlover, I don't know what Josiah was talking about (haven't followed the last part of the conversation), but rest assured that you did have something to do with my 'conversion' and I am quite convinced that you have been leading me in the right direction, to Christ/God and not away from Him.

Crashfrog you didn't quote correctly. You took one sentence from the entire paragraph and made an uneducated statement (which defines a fool by the way). The verse in Mathew which you refer is about how people who speak in anger will be judged just as if they were a murderer. When he talks about the fool part that is when someone refers to a person in anger as a fool. If you look at LUKE12:20 "But God said to him, 'You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?' God refers to this person as a fool. Is God going to hell? No. He refers to someone who makes a foolish action as a fool, just like when you make a foolish statement hat makes you a fool. Now when I said you must not be a true believer because you fell away and no longer believe I did so because its true and biblical. Case in point - HEBREW6:4 It is IMPOSSIBLE for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the HOLY SPIRIT, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentence, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over agian and subjecting him to public disgrace. I hope this is what you refer to as answering your questions, I'm getting tired oof you people telling me I'm not answering them when that's all I do. And for me, check out the gospels, when the sanhedrin tells Christ he is doing thew work of the devil he asks why he would be trying to save people to God which is hypicritical of what they say his actions were. Wrong again my friend. I just want you all to understand the truth so you can find salvation. My prayers are with you all, God bless you Crashfrog man. -Jay

Prove to me that you're a true believer. If you're not, then how can you know that I wasn't, either? You just told me I couldn't, according to the Bible.

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Crashfrog you didn't quote correctly. You took one sentence from the entire paragraph and made an uneducated statement (which defines a fool by the way).

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Is anyone else's irony meter maxing out?

Yes you can, my point is, since you say you once believed but now you don't you never did in the first place. My point is straight from the bible. If you don't believe the bible then you won't believe my statements. True? You must find Christ then you will believe. Right now you are close minded and angry with people that try to help others see the truth. You have to be willing to accept the fact that what I say is true. Take the challenge like I said, Pray for evidence. Ask God to help you see the truth and I'm sure you'll change your stance. How can I prove to you my belief? I could tell you what I saw in the church I attended when I gave my life to Christ and accepted Him as my savior. Other than that al I can say is like before, if I want to do the bidding of the devil like deny God then I'm noe going to do it by trying to lead people to him. Okay?

Show me my error LOUDMOUTH. I only wrote word for word the entire passage in reply. Where did I take only ONE sentence?

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Show me my error LOUDMOUTH. I only wrote word for word the entire passage in reply. Where did I take only ONE sentence?

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Many creationists misquote prominent scientists in order to fool people into thinking that evolution has no support from within the scientific community. They do this by taking quotes out of context, exactly what you have accused Crashfrog of doing. It was more a comment on creationist tactics than about you personally. I haven't seen you do anything of the kind, just picking on a creationist stereotype. Hopefully you can stay away from such behavior. I apologize for insinuating that you have done this in the past and absolve you of any wrongdoing.Now that I have your attention, perhaps you could share an example of fulfilled prophecy with the criteria I mentioned before?

Why would I when you can't even know that you're a true believer? Your faith is as emtpy and shallow as mine was, for all I know. I did, though, and I didn't get any. Your god failed the challenege, and remember, that was when I believed in him. Maybe you need to figure that out before you make arrogant, presumptive statements about my beliefs, then.

AGAIN, crash it's not ME making the statement. It's the bible, GOD's word that says a true believer CAN NOT FALL AWAY. Okay, it's not me I'm just telling you where you are wrong based on the bible. By the way what was it that made you change your beliefs. Maybe you still have the belief you just are doubting enough to make you feel like you don't believe. What happened?

Not to get into a heated discussion on this but in my view the evolutionists have been the group that stopped refering to evolution as a THEORY and started passing it off in all the schools as fact unquestionable. Creation has no voice anymore in schools, but not for long. They want to pass a judgement that states if one is taught it has to be reffered to as a theory and the opposing view has to be taught as well. -Jay

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Not to get into a heated discussion on this but in my view the evolutionists have been the group that stopped refering to evolution as a THEORY and started passing it off in all the schools as fact unquestionable.

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Scientists USE the theory in their work. For them its a very, very reliable theory. No scientists worth his grit will ever claim that evolution is 100% fact, but they will say that no other theory in science is better supported than evolution. This includes Germ Theory, Theory of Gravity, et al. In other words, scientists have no problem calling it a theory, since they use theories to produce reliable data every day.

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Creation has no voice anymore in schools, but not for long. They want to pass a judgement that states if one is taught it has to be reffered to as a theory and the opposing view has to be taught as well.

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This has been discussed many times here on this site. You may even be able to link to some of those discussion through the search function. The overwhelming agreement among evolutionists is that creationism should be taught in a comparative religion class. However, it should not be included in science class since it isn't scince but rather a religious conviction contrary to gathered evidence (at least young earth creationism). We have both posted once on creationism education in public schools and should probably leave off here. If you feel like you have something to say about this topic feel free to go to the appropriate topic or start a fresh one. This isn't a command, but the admins frown on topic drift and so we should probably bend to their wishes on this.

And what I'm saying is that you should clean your own house before you try to get all concerned about mine. You can't even prove you're a true believer! Simple. It was the fact that God doesn't exist. When I realized that, there wasn't much point in faith, now was there?

Thanks, Sarde. I wasn't bothered by Josiah's statements. I was speaking a little sarcasticially to pick on him for making the assumption that one either believes in evolution or Christ, not both. I'll bet he was also assuming that when you "converted," you were rejecting evolution, too.Is there any avoiding that "converted" word?

TRUTHLOVER,
I don't recall saying that you are either an evolutionist or a christian. Since you brought it up let's take a look at the logic:
(this is all based on the assumption that those reading this believe in God and are christian)
1. God is perfect.
2. God said he created the earth and everything in it and around it.
3. You say things turn from shrimp to shark to skunk...etc.
4. That means that the bible is wrong.
5. That means God is wrong.
6. That means God isn't perfect.
7. That means you don't believe correctly.
You are a luke warm christian, a fence sitter. You say I believe in God how dare you say different then you say out of the other side of your mouth that part of the bible is wrong. Outthinking God huh? You all are in for a big surprise. And anyway evolution has no base for which to stand. One man can't understand how a fish can walk out of the water because HEE never saw it before. SO he explains it away and you all were to stupid to think that he was wrong. And thus a bunch of people run around saying evolution is the way but we can't nor will we ever be able to proove any of it. AND YES I'LL GO FIND YOUR FACTS FOR YOU. Be back soon. -Jay