Quotes From Evolutionists

Thank you Peter :-)Good eye, and nice to see that someone is maintaining a sense of humour.

Heh. Yep - feel free to quote me on that anytime you want.

I do what I can....

How can you keep all of these guys and their multiple internet names on mulitple boards straight?

Wel, I thought this one was easy - he reposted most of what FFG did, and, like FFG, failed to respond to any substantive points.

But doesnt that basically describe all of the creationists?

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But doesnt that basically describe all of the creationists?

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Yeah. I think it does-- makes debate rather dull. I need to start picking fights with you guys! Stupid hairy elephants suck! Whoo-hoo! Bring it on! ------------------
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I would step on you and squash you but I'm stuck under all this freakin ice...with a silly frenchman looking at me....doh! [This message has been edited by Mammuthus, 07-25-2003]

true it is Boring being an evolutionist because when a creationist can't answer something they seem to run away sigh... I like debates but its hard to have a good one here....... lets assign parts who wants to be the creationist today?[This message has been edited by DC85, 07-28-2003]

I've tried to take the other side before. It is just so weak it is hard to find a good solid point to debate about. It would be fun to try maybe.

Hey, when I get bored I just pick an evolutionist post
and disagree with something

I'm an evolutionist and a Clergy...I have a website http://www.evolutionaryspirituality.com and a book "Stepping Through the Narrow Gate." that addresses human origins through evolution and Christianity. Here's a quote from me."Galileo and Darwin did not invent anything new, they discovered and revealed something about physical reality that had existed all along. Jesus did not discover anything new either; he revealed a spiritual truth about the potential for a Creative Principle — God - Human relationship that had been there all along.The Principles of Evolutionary Spirituality are not new in that same sense. These principles are based on a reality that is both physical and spiritual and has been there all along. As portions of reality (both spiritual and physical) are revealed and integrated into human consciousness, the human capacity to consciously respond to life changes, it grows, it evolves! The principles of Evolutionary Spirituality are part of this growth. These principles are:I. That life (the physical universe) is the manifestation of a creative imperative, principle or presence (we call it God) that expresses itself in an evolutionary way creating a story (a universe) that unfolds from the past into the future as time and space.II. Love, the will to create new and expanded relationships of mutual enhancement, either drives or is the focus of this creative force. Birth, death and natural selection are essential components of life, and on our planet, make it possible for love to be expressed as an expanding, unfolding story of creation.III. Human consciousness and human nature are recent products of this creative presence expressed in the evolution of life on earth. Human consciousness creatively responds to life using the evolutionary principles of birth, death and natural selection applied now to ideas, attitudes and beliefs.IV. The next step in evolution for human beings is the evolution of human consciousness and requires our active participation by spiritually aligning our minds in an unprecedented way with (the Creative Principle) God. It is what Jesus taught and demonstrated about entering the Kingdom of Heaven/God.V. This next and unprecedented step in evolution applies to humans only and is our salvation as individuals and as a species. We will continue to use natural selection on our ideas, attitudes and beliefs in our attempts to find satisfaction, meaning, and peace of mind within ourselves and in our relationships with each other and with the world we live in.Jesus said you should judge these by the fruits they bear (there offspring). Was he not proposing an evolutionary approach?

Greetings Barryven... I am also an evolutionist, I still hold my religion and I believe that God exists (but I am not a Christian). I am rather skeptical with your views about evolutionary spirituality. First it has teleology written all over it. You assume that human life is the culmination of evolution, and we will undergo 'spiritual transformations'... into what? Humans are no higher in evolution than bacteria or fish or corn.Second, is love really a driving force in evolution? Killer whales who toss around seal pups before ripping them apart for lunch or wasp mothers who paralyze caterpillars to feed her hungry offspring does not seem to be products of love. Reproduction and survival is more likely to be the driving factor.Third, I am disturbed by your idea that we should use natural selection in our ideas in order to step into this next phase of spiritual evolution... I can agree with the sociobiologists that say we can use evolution to understand how we become, but using NS as a guide... might this remind us of eugenics and social darwinism?

Actually Andya he said we should use natural selection 'on' our ideas. I assumed he was talking about some form of memetic NS, your interpretation is much more worrying.

Sorry if I misinterpret it, then. My apologies to Barryven.