Buzsaw Biblical Universe Origin Hypothesis vs Singularity Universe Origin Theory

lyx2no writes:No, it hasn’t. I can not begin count the number of times it has been written in the BB posts that there is no working model prior to T=10-43. If you’re saying we can’t falsify our declaration of ignorance I can’t but agree with you, but I’ll not call it a theory.

lyx2no writes:For a hypothesis to be falsifiable it has to have certain characteristics, not the least of which is having been made. As no hypothesis has been made for the time interval 0T10-43 no hypothesis can be falsified.

lyx2no writes:To what end do you move by constantly repeating that a nonexistent hypothesis is not falsifiable; which, thought true, is exceedingly trivial?

I was asking for references or books from the other deities that told us there was wandering stars that would go dark forever.

A new star forming out of a cloud of gas and dust (nebula), which is one of the remnants of the "smoke" that was the origin of the whole universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather and Henbest, page 50)Allah Almighty said: "Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke...(The Noble Quran, 41:11)

Allah Almighty Said: "And when the heaven splitteth asunder and becometh ROSY LIKE PAINT - (The Noble Quran, 55:37)"
What Allah Almighty is Saying here is that when Galaxies explode, they form a rose-shaped explosion. He is also telling us that the Universe will all turn into exploded galaxies looking like roses when the Day of Judgment happens.See the COUNTLESS pictures of exploded galaxies that look like roses.

# The Miracle of the Rain, Thunder and Electrical "fertilization" caused by winds in the Noble Quran!1. Audio file.
2. Video file 1.# The moon's S-shaped orbit around earth is shaped like a branch of a date tree, mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science!# Time and the Speed of Light precisely calculated and mentioned in the Noble Quran.# The sun rays that we see during the day are different from the ones seen in space!1. The skinning of the day from the night Miracle.# If the Noble Quran says the earth is "egg-shaped" through a Notion, then why couldn't Prophet Muhammad just say it clear in plain Arabic?1. Video file.
2. The Motion of Earth in the Noble Quran.# The Ozone layer is a protective ceiling to earth.
# The Ozone layer is able to heal itself from damage - mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by science!# The Ozone layer is raised to balance air pressure and temperature - mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by science!# The explosion of galaxies are shaped like roses - mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science. Countless pictures of exploded galaxies that look like roses are provided in the article.# The universe originated from smoke.# The formation of milk from blood and FARTH (digested food's material) - mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science!# Mountains prevent the earth from shaking while rotating around its own axle.# The 7 layers of earth and iron was sent down from space.# Honey was proven to be a healing medicine for humans.# The breathing cycle during the day on planet earth by the plants, humans and animals - mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science!# Lack of Oxygen and painful low pressure in space. Science confirmed the Noble Quran's Divine Claim.1. Video file.
2. Audio file.# Iron was sent down from space.1. Audio file.
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3. Video file 2.# The Big Bang Theory and the Cosmic Crunch in the Noble Quran.# The Universe is "expanding" according to the Noble Quran. Scientists already proved this claim to be true.# Darkness in the seas and internal waves in the Noble Quran, confirmed by science.# The Noble Quran on Human Embryonic Development.1. Video file 1.
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5. Text article with ample pictures and quotes.# The human DNA being 99% the same, and the DNA of the pigs and monkeys being very close ours are directly supported in the Noble Quran.# Water on earth shall vanish - mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science!# The bringing forth of the earth's waters (oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, etc...) after the expansion of the planet earth. A new scientific video, from a Western scientist, confirms the stunning Scientific Miracle in Noble Verses 79:30-32 regarding Allah Almighty bringing forth the waters (oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, etc...) after He expanded the earth. Scientists have proven that our planet earth, indeed, was at one point all covered with land with shallow and limited bodies of water. The vast bodies of water that we have today, where water today covers more than 70% of the entire globe, happened after the expansion of the earth -- precisely as Allah Almighty mentioned in the Noble Quran. Scientists have only recently confirmed it!# The cracking of the moon mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by science!1. Images of the moon's fault line (crack).

Rahvin writes:No no, Buzz. We read it. it just had nothing to do with a mechanism. You're saying "bob fixed my car." When we ask how he fixed your car, you say "through work." You haven't said anything that amounts to a mechanism that can produce falsifiable predictions. As such, you haven't proposed a hypothesis at all. ..........

molbiogirl writes:Looks like Mohammed heard some secrets from god he didn't see fit to divulge to you xians.

Let me get one thing out of the way here. I claim the God of Abraham. Islam also claims the God of Abraham. The deities I need to know about are all the other deities refereed too.

I know what Mohammed said. But since he was about 600 years after Jesus and contradicts a lot Jesus taught I don't trust him.

Indian mathematics”which here is the mathematics that emerged in South Asia[1] from ancient times until the end of the 18th century”had its beginnings in the Bronze Age Indus Valley civilization (2600-1900 BCE) and the Iron Age Vedic culture (1500-500 BCE). In the classical period of Indian mathematics (400 CE to 1200 CE), important contributions were made by scholars like Aryabhatta, Brahmagupta, and Bhaskara II. Indian mathematicians made early contributions to the study of the decimal number system,[2] zero,[3] negative numbers,[4] arithmetic, and algebra.

One certain source of scientific knowledge is Vedas, the ancient Hindu scriptures, written in the ancient and sophisticated language of Sanskrit. Many other Sanskrit scriptures and ancient books from other parts of the world and in other languages may contain advanced scientific knowledge.

In the early part of this century, two opposing theories about the origin of the universe were postulated. (1) The Steady State theory, which says the universe is never born, never dies, and is always like what it is. (2) The Big bang theory, which says the universe began with a point of energy exploding in a "big-bang". All the matter came into being from energy continuously expanding and changing form. Ultimately the expansion will stop and it will start contracting, ending into nothingness with a "big-crunch". What is before big-bang or after big crunch, the theory doesn’t know.In reality, both the theories are correct. The universe begins from a point with a bang and ends in a point with a crunch. This duration we call one Kalpa (cosmos) or Brahma Diwas (eternal day). It is preceded and succeeded by an equal period during which matter lies in a dormant, inert state and that is called a Brahma Ratri i.e. a divine night (for the nature that sleeps as it were). All the souls also remain in a dormant state, a sort of hibernation, during this period. The evolution of cosmos from dormant state may be called a ”creation’ or ”srishti’, and its involution back into inert state is called dissolution (pralaya). As days and nights succeed each other, so do cosmos and divine nights in this eternal sinusoidal cycle of evolutions and involutions 3 (Figure 1).All matter, i.e. nature, has three basic attributes/forces - satva, rajasa and tamasa. During brahma ratri, these forces remain in a balanced state. After the big bang, the three forces get realigned to form elementary particles called Mahat or Aapah, which combine further to form other basic particles, atoms and so on.

Buzsaw writes:origin of the singularity is unknown,

This is wrong. Nothing is known about T=0 or the short period after it. The earliest thing we know is that the universe was expanding and was hot and dense.The reason we know nothing about T=0 is that it is proven that General Relativity has a singularity there and is unreliable.

The singularity is not a physical object.

Son Goku writes: the "singularity" isn't supposed to be an origin for the universe.

The conclusion of this lecture is that the universe has not existed forever. Rather, the universe,
and time itself, had a beginning in the Big Bang, about 15 billion years ago. The beginning of
real time, would have been a singularity, at which the laws of physics would have broken
down.

Cosmology can not predict anything about the universe unless it makes some assumption about the initial conditions.

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No no, Buzz. We read it. it just had nothing to do with a mechanism. You're saying "bob fixed my car." When we ask how he fixed your car, you say "through work." You haven't said anything that amounts to a mechanism that can produce falsifiable predictions. As such, you haven't proposed a hypothesis at all. ..........

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Please educate me. What part of 2LoT requires analyzation of the work being done or by whom?

Since you have no theory or hypothesis before T=10-43, how can T=10-43 be falsifyable? Doesn't 10-43 require a T=0? If it does, isn't T=0 unfalsifiable?

molbiogirl writes:There's plenty more where that came from.

Rahvin writes:The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics doesn't require anything, Buzz. But a hypothesis must include a mechanism. That's what scientific models are: descriptions of an observed mechanism, including the testable predictions made by extrapolating that mechanism.

Rahvin writes:Thermodynamics has nothing to do with what I said, Buzz. Note that the word "Thermodynamics" is nowhere in the text you quoted. This would be called a "red herring."

I am discussing the premise in the OP where Buzsaw said: "Singularity Universe Origin Theory (SUOT)."

If the numbers break down and can't tell us anything then I must conclude there is an absence of anything at T=0.

I am not satisfied with jumping in a marathon race 5 miles downtrack from the race start point.

lyx2no writes:T=10-43 does indeed require a T=0, but that is an artifact of the way we count. If I set up a number line and I say, “This is T=100, and this is T=10-43, then T=0 would be here if I extended the line thusly.” This would be a statement that is falsifiable. To falsify it one would take a ruler of some type and scale it out and if their X misses my X, and they are right, my statement has been falsified. As this is similar to the only statement made about T=0, then yes, I can, in principle, falsify that T=0 would be at that point there if we can extend our line.

lyx2no writes:It can’t be falsified because it not a statement. T=0 can’t be falsified because it not a statement. 7:27 PM can’t be falsified because it not a statement? One can only falsify a statement.

What makes you think I got a problem with that?