One Word Got Me In Trouble.

You mean the Aztecs that developed mathematics and astronomy while Europe was still wearing bearskins and picking fleas off their bums? You mean Africa, the convergence of several trading routes, where the great wealth generated was responsible for the creation of some of the greatest libraries in history - all destroyed by European slavers? You mean the Roman Empire that created the most ambitious highway system in 2000 years? The Roman Empire that brought plumbing and hygene to the ancient world? The first major government to introduce representative democracy? The Empire that lasted a thousand years or something? If we have anything good, it sounds like to me that they had it first. As far as individual freedom goes, there was more of that in ancient Rome, I daresay, than we have today in America, with secret courts and the Patriot Act. (Doesn't the name "Patriot Act" just send chills up your spine? And don't even ask me about the superlatively creepy "Dept. of Homeland Secuity". Who comes up with these names? The committee for Police State-Sounding Names?)

In terms of Britain, at least, the Romans introduced us to such delights as:onions, drinking milk, pears, plums, peas, beans, carrots.Before that Britons used to eat mainly what we nowaday call "weeds". (Tomatoes & potatoes came hundreds of years later from the New World.)------------------

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All the boys think she's a spy

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I made it very clear that I was reporting the opinion of someone else; someone who does have expertise in the matter.

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Oh. That wasn't clear atol to me. Anyhow, yah, I can read well. So that makes two of us who allegedly are reporting the opinions of someone who has expertise in the matter. Isn't that what debate and dialog is about? Sorting out the expertisesso as to determine what alleged expertises are truly expertise? How about some documentation on yours? I've posted mine. Or simply documentarily refute mine. Either way will be fine. After 9/11 I can't for the life of me see why so many intelligent Americans can't smell the coffee on Islam and are so fussy about the least bit of criticism of the religion and the prophet which are where the buck really stops on Islamic terrorism. This intimidated attitude of gullible nations is what gives this religion so much momentum in their struggle to dominate the world as the prophet taught that they should do. When they get 30% or so adherants in a nation, they then begin tightening the screws for dominance as that have so far accomplished in about 30 nations.

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Yes he married into money, but he also had honest & sound business sense. He acted kindly to his to his wives & children.........

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Like Zainab, his 5th wife, whom his adopted son, Zeyd divorced so Mohammed could have her after learning that Mohammed desired her. Or like when he married Ayisha, his third wife, a ten year old child?

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and people in general.

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So you're denying that in one village alone he performed an all day slaughter of 700 to 1000 Jewish men after they had surrendered and hauled off their families for the slave trade which he indulged in?

Buzsaw, Where of course massacre & slavery aren't condoned by the Xian God? Noah made one of his own sons a slave, how very noble & liberal Christians are compared to Mohammed. Not.Mark

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Where of course massacre & slavery aren't condoned by the Xian God? Noah made one of his own sons a slave, how very noble & liberal Christians are compared to Mohammed. Not.

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If the Bible is true, and the god, Jehovah the only true and existing god, then his plan to have a nation of his choosing be and do as he ordered is justified. He being the allknowing god and a jealous god, as the text states, would not tolerate idol worship to other manmade gods forever. He would know the path paganism takes cultures and the barbarism, ignorance and oppression they eventurally bring. Had he not kept pagan nations at bay, the whole world would've been lost to this depravity. So his preserving a people to sanctify his name and to be a catalyst in a lost world was necessary. He "is not willing that any should perish," says another text but this necessitated some very harsh rules for his own people Israel and the establishment of a territory/nation exclusively for them also a necessity. This place is to be the place from where his Christ/Messiah will soon rule the planet in righteousness.Now, I understand that you don't believe all this so therefore I understand your sensible reasoning that this is also a bad thing. Of course that law and those instructions were only given to Israel. Christ taught Christians to be the persecuted if necessary, but not to be the agressors and so it has been with the true church, I say the true church of Jesus Christ.Ultimately there will be a showdown between Jesus and Mohammed and between the alleged god Allah and the true god, Jehovah. I may not be vindicated here and now, but in the end, I will be vindicated in these statements, for says the text, one day, every knee shall bow to the god Jehovah and to his Christ, the Lord Jesus.

Do you mean all of it or just the bits claiming that YWHW is God?

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Do you mean all of it or just the bits claiming that YWHW is God?

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I'm not denying there's likely some rather minor discrepencies via the handmedowns of the context of the originals and some problems in interpreting some ambiguous texts in it, but by and large, yes, I believe it all to be true and supernaturally inspired. It has just too many significant prophecies having been fulfilled over the centuries for me to be able to believe otherwise, having studied and followed these for a long time. No other book has this proof of the supernatural.[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 07-25-2003]

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It doesn't matter what other sites quote the same material.
The point of checking the original site is to see what else there is there. If it is just a "muslim-bashing" site as I suspect then it is certainly not a respectable source.

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Did you find it ok by my instructions?

Tell the Hivites about it.....
oops! they're all dead after getting converted...

What massacre? Which post are you referring to?Buzsaw,
I have noticed that you frequently break threads to post a message to someone. When you do this, that person does not receive notification of it in their message index; and no link is created to other messages. Unless the person you intend to reach stumbles accross your post accidentally, they may never know that it exists. If anyone answers your erratic post a loose thread is created and the original thread begins to unravel, embodying any number of unrelated threads.Posting off-thread cannot improve the likelihood of getting a response. The message is effectively "out of the loop." It may be a completely wasted effort. Like this one probably is.Do not respond to this message.db------------------
Does anyone graduate Sunday School?

Peppers and chiles came from the new world, too....also chocolate.

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Or like when he married Ayisha, his third wife, a ten year old child?

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So? Current Jewish law sets the female age of consent for marriage at 11 (or possibly 12) and the old Talmud had it at 3 years of age!And Numbers in the Bible:

[17] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. [18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

As for this massacre you mention ... I don't honestly know! Please don't throw my ignorance back in my face. Enlighten me!, 07-25-2003

If you were honest with yourself, you'd admit that your guys and their god are superior to Mohammed in the propogation of suffering and death.Your depiction of Mohammed's polygamy, enslavement of captives, slaughter of innocents, marriage to children and all the rest are very interesting, but the lives of Moses, Joshua, David and Solomon make Mohammed look like a minor league player.This has been pointed out to you several times here and you are apparently refusing to look at it.Do you know the definition of "dishonesty"?db------------------
Does anyone graduate Sunday School?