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Iblis Member (Idle past 3924 days) Posts: 663 Joined: |
Describe an "inward expansion" of a finite spacetime. How would it differ from, a contraction? Why would things appear to be moving farther apart rather than, closer together. Why would there be red-shift rather than, blue-shift?
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3971 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
Taq, look, I don't know what is at the barycenter of the Universe - what I do know is that if there was nothing there, our rate of acceleration would decline. This does noty seem to be the case - and that spells Black Hole.
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3971 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
John F, I dfon't want to talk about 'average density' in this thread. What interests me far more is whether you believe the expansion started slowly or fast. It had to be one or the other.
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3971 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
I don't put much faith in your picture of the expansion. There is no evidence of any 'slowing down' of the expansion. I thought I had demonstrated clearly that we are going in, in my 'Observational Evidence'. Why won't you read it?
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Iblis Member (Idle past 3924 days) Posts: 663 Joined: |
Peter Lamont writes: Please read my 'Observational Evidence' and let me know what you think of it. Yeah you have noticed that we live in a black hole that has been turned inside out. That's what "Big Bang" means
From "How big"
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Iblis Member (Idle past 3924 days) Posts: 663 Joined: |
Describe an "inward expansion" of a finite spacetime. How would it differ from, a contraction? Why would things appear to be moving farther apart rather than, closer together. Why would there be red-shift rather than, blue-shift?
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3971 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
Iblis, of course Gravity would would cause the Universe's Outward Expansion to slow down and stop.
The reason we're speeding up is because we're going in, not because of any fabricated force. They fabricated Dark Energy. It doesn't exist. If you're so sure it does, show me some.
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3971 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
Okay, John F, I don't want to discuss 'average density' here. Did you read my 'Observational Evidence' ? I wish you would. You still haven't told me, do you think the expansion started slowly, or fast?
Nobody can see beyond the Observable Universe, cann we agree on that?
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Iblis Member (Idle past 3924 days) Posts: 663 Joined: |
Peter Lamont writes: They fabricated Dark Energy. It doesn't exist. If you're so sure it does, show me some. Are you under the impression I "believe" things? Not So. Dark Energy is the current working explanation for accelerated expansion. Guth's Inflation model allows for it, allows for anti-gravity, allows forsomething out of nothing. To replace the dark energy model, simply provide somefhing coherent that covers all the same facts it does and solves more. Current best contender for this job is M-theory. Describe an "inward expansion" of a finite spacetime. How would it differ from, a contraction? Why would things appear to be moving farther apart rather than, closer together. Why would there be red-shift rather than, blue-shift? Edited by Iblis, : No reason given.
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3971 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
Iblis, in my "Observational Evidence,' I describe an ongoing force not an force with a 'finite spacetime.'
I assume you know that Acceleration leads to Loss of Pressure (same thing as expansion) and that's why an airplane flies. You see, air going over the aerofoil has to go further than air going under the wing - in the same amount of time. The air going over the aerofoil has to accelerate, causing a low pressure above the wing. We're going in, and it's a black hole, then we're going to accelerate and that's going to lead to expansion. I have pretty well shown that we are going 'in' in my 'Observational Evidence.'
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
I assume you know that Acceleration leads to Loss of Pressure (same thing as expansion) and that's why an airplane flies. You see, air going over the aerofoil has to go further than air going under the wing - in the same amount of time. The air going over the aerofoil has to accelerate, causing a low pressure above the wing. Commonly held but incorrect. Clearer than the rest of your incoherent ramblings, though. That's an improvement.
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3971 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
I have heard the 'Big-Bang' was an exploding blackn hole, except there is no record of any exploding black hole. No, the Big-Bang is too fantastic. 'Poof,' instant Universe - just like in the bible! Sorry.
The whole problem started with a Belgian cleric, who heard the Observable Universe was expanding, and this Belgian cleric, LeMaitre took this information and just assumed that if the Observable Universe was expandng then the entire Universe had to be doing the same, something entirely without evidence. Nobody can see beyond the Observable Universe, and anybody who says he can - is pretending.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I think the expansion happened only slowly at first, and has since accelerated. Now, what do you think of that? I think this does not explain the observations. The observations are consistent with a much larger universe just 300,000 years (when the CMB was produced) after the singularity first started expanding. This requires a much faster expansion rate than what we see now. Your claims appear to be contradicted by the facts.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Taq, look, I don't know what is at the barycenter of the Universe - what I do know is that if there was nothing there, our rate of acceleration would decline. Based on what evidence?
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No, the expansion started only slowly and has since accelerated, in the manner of any Inward Expansion. Inward Expansion? Don't you mean contraction? If you were right, then we'd have a lot of blue-shifted galaxies speeding towards us. But we don't, they're all red-shifted because they're moving away from us.
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