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14174dm Member (Idle past 1137 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined: |
You mean the trials such as the rack and the iron maiden? Did they try the Huguenots before slaughtering them at the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre? Did they conduct a trial before going to the Waldensian villages and slaughtering them? Perhaps there were some trials, of course. The Protestant witch trials in Salem and the North Berwick (which King James attended and included in his book) involved torture. The methods to kill witches used by both Protestants and Catholics were horrendous and barbaric. I don't know why you hammer so hard on the sins of the Catholics but ignore the sins of the Protestants. Humans are humans with examples of saints and sinners in every group you look at. Edited by 14174dm, : quotation code
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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YOU are the one who has to account for Goderich's writing that he was born in Kenya, not I. It was a mistake. Your turn. Anything involving neither an error nor magic. Anything at all.
MY mistake is just what happens in internet discussions. I'd heard the source was Harvard documents. Now you're being mistaken about why you're mistaken.
At the time, you explained "He's identified as the editor of the Harvard Law Review on the same page that the bio is given about birth in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii." You just saw the word "Harvard" and assumed it was the source of the misinformation. Now, suppose Goderich saw the word "Kenya". Suppose that skimming through D.F.M.F. or a precis of it she saw that it was written by a black guy, with a Kenyan father, who grew up abroad, and didn't notice (or the precis didn't even mention) that he happened to be born on American soil. This mistake would be far more understandable than yours, which required the sort of muddleheadedness that would startle a rabid badger on acid. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: It may be the ONLY reason to believe it, but that is all. It certainly does not dovetail with the known facts. And under the circumstances it isn't really sufficient evidence to cover the basic improbability of the claim. He could be mistaken, and by the evidence he probably is.
quote: As has already been pointed out it is not certain that Mary Ayers was speaking about the same student. It is hardly impossible that she helped two students - or maybe more. However I do not insist on even that. Instead I believe that she WAS talking about a foreign student. And, therefore, she was not talking about Obama who was not a foreign student.
quote: I don't think that disagreeing with questionable assertions you happen to like really counts as "denying inconvenient facts". But in this case - if we assume a secret association with Ayers (which is not that likely) - it really doesn't make sense fit Obama to publically go out to his mother's house to thank her for secret help and tell the mailman what he was doing. So either way you have a problem.
quote: I said that you missed the fact that an actual foreign student - one who was not a U.S. Citizen, resident in the U.S. - would likely have a foreign name. And you missed it again.
quote: However, as I pointed out this whole business makes the idea of a secret relationship implausible.
quote: It is not a matter of simply trusting them - and I did not rely on them. I did consider the possibility of a secret relationship and that consideration was right there in my post. the story only makes sense if the visitor had an open relationship with the Ayers family and Obama did not. And in fact the timescale is so vague we neither know if Obama was a student or in Chicago at the time. So I suggest again that the most likely explanation is that Mary Ayers was helping a foreign student who was not Obama - most likely studying in Chicago - that he was the visitor and quite possibly talking about a different Presidency altogether. Since you haven't offered any reason to think that Mary Ayers was at all likely to call Obama a foreign student - and because it is reasonably likely that the mailman's identification was mistaken this would seem the more likely explanation.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
She had to have had some source It's almost like she had access to a book about Obama or something...a book that contains references to his parentage and background in Kenya.
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2401 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
Edited by ThinAirDesigns, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
And as a bonus, here's Snopes debunking it as thoroughly as you could wish for.
Welcome to Kenya, Birthplace of Barack Obama | Snopes.com
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Snopes was originally funded by Soros and everyone knows it was created to discredit honest news and support Communist Main Stream Media.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
My mistakes are irrelevant. I'm not responsible for an author sketch in a book which said Obama was born in Kenya. Funny how that "mistake" stayed in print for some years without anyone making an issue of it until it was recognized that it had to be dispensed with because it was so inconvenient for this author who was now a big political figure. It could not possibly have been a mistake, not that kind of statement in those circumstances, uh uh, sorry, and your scenario is just silly. She had to have a source she considered trustworthy and of course she did and of course when it became inconvenient for the truth to be out there in actual print she had to make up something and it was a totally unlikely something. Sorrrrry.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Golly gee, another hoax? But whose hoax? Which is the hoax? Do you know? Of course not.
Now go listen to the video of the Kenyan ambassador who clearly says there is some kind of monument to Obama's birth in Kenya.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Nope, not on this subject would I read snopes.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Any literary agent or editor or publisher worth her salt would not make such an idi*otic mistake.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
My mistakes are irrelevant. They show you how easy it is to make a mistake.
Funny how that "mistake" stayed in print for some years without anyone making an issue of it until it was recognized that it had to be dispensed with because it was so inconvenient for this author who was now a big political figure. It is hard to detect a train of thought there. Who was there to notice it and "make an issue of it"?
She had to have a source she considered trustworthy ... So, go for it. Your explanation that involves neither a mistake nor magic. Who was her source? What evidence was she presented with? Flesh out your insane fantasy a little.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Any literary agent or editor or publisher worth her salt would not make such an idi*otic mistake. You make idiotic mistakes all the time. Are you going to tell us that no-one who can hold down a responsible job has ever under any circumstances been a little bit like you?
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Funny how that "mistake" stayed in print for some years without anyone making an issue of it The KJV still says "book of life", in Revelation 22:19, and it has for centuries. Even though it appears in no Greek manuscript. The 'print' you are talking about is an obscure one, that nobody had any particlar reason to read for decades.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Nope, not on this subject would I read snopes. OK, you don't have to glimpse into that perverse hotbed of factual accuracy. ThinAirDesigns has posted the original of the photoshopped picture; and I can tell you myself that the Arabic script under where it says "Kenya" does in fact read h-a-w-a-ii, left to right, which does kind of give away that it's a joke.
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