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Topic: The Brand New Birther Thread
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Taq
Member Posts: 10085 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 30 of 218 (795393)
12-12-2016 3:57 PM
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The Ultimate Irony
The Ultimate Irony is that it wouldn't have mattered if Obama was born in Kenya. His mother is a US citizen, so Obama is automatically a citizen no matter where he is born. This is why Ted Cruz was allowed to run for President. So what reason was there for pursuing all of this birther nonsense? Let's just posit for the moment that Obama was born in Kenya and it is 2008. Now what? No court case is going to remove him from office because he is a US citizen through his mother. So what is the point? What other reason is there other than to make Obama look more like an undesirable black dude? I can't think of one. Ted Cruz looks generically white, and was born in Canada. Not one Republican made a stink about it, NOT EVEN TRUMP!! Here was Trump campaigning against a presidential candidate that openly admits he wasn't born in the US, and not one peep. WHY?????? The answer is obvious. It's Canada, and Ted Cruz is white.
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Taq
Member Posts: 10085 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 32 of 218 (795395)
12-12-2016 4:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 31 by PaulK
12-12-2016 4:02 PM
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Re: The Ultimate Irony
PaulK writes: The other point, of course, is to deny the legitimacy of the election. Deny legitimacy by making the President look blacker? And then 8 years later almost nominate a candidate that openly admits he wasn't born in the US? I don't see how that works.
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Taq
Member Posts: 10085 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 34 of 218 (795397)
12-12-2016 4:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 33 by PaulK
12-12-2016 4:11 PM
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Re: The Ultimate Irony
Deny the legitimacy of the election by claiming that the winning candidate was ineligible.
Ignore it when the same rule would eliminate their favoured candidate because only the results matter to them. The reasoning is just an excuse.
The point is that there is no rule to ignore. Even if Obama was born in Kenya, it wouldn't make him ineligible. So why use it?
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Taq
Member Posts: 10085 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 37 of 218 (795400)
12-12-2016 4:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 35 by PaulK
12-12-2016 4:29 PM
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Re: The Ultimate Irony
There is no rule other than the one in their heads, and I have already explained why they used it. There are other rules, and they are called the rules of US law. Those are the laws that they claimed Obama had run afoul. I don't remember them claiming Obama had violated the laws that only exist in their heads. What is the other consistent attack they have used? They claim that Obama is Muslim. Obviously, being a Muslim does not make a candidate ineligible, so why use this attack?
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Taq
Member Posts: 10085 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 90 of 218 (795457)
12-13-2016 10:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 42 by Faith
12-12-2016 5:35 PM
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Re: The Ultimate Irony
Faith writes: As I recall I read a defense of Cruz as eligible despite his Canadian citizenship so I stopped worrying about it. Yes I might not have been as ready if someone says the same about Obama because I know Obama to be a Marxist out to undermine America, whereas I know Cruz has America's interests at heart. Again, nothing to do with race, everything to do with ideology. The law applies to everyone, not just those whose ideology you agree with.
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Taq
Member Posts: 10085 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 91 of 218 (795458)
12-13-2016 11:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 47 by Faith
12-12-2016 6:10 PM
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Re: The Ultimate Irony
Faith writes: Sigh. It was a confession, Paul, I wasn't defending it. I guess I just have to be WAY more explicit. Yes I would probably be more ready to accept an argument for Cruz's eligibility than Obama's, BUT NOT FOR RACIST REASONS. That was the point. I assume most of us have such foibles, I'm not defending it, I'm just saying my own weakness IS NOT RACIST. That seems to be a pattern. You are more than willing to swallow any lie, as long as it aligns with your already existing biases. That seems to be a pattern you share with most people on the political right. Facts be damned, what matters is what you want to be true.
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Taq
Member Posts: 10085 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 114 of 218 (795485)
12-13-2016 2:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 92 by Faith
12-13-2016 11:16 AM
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Re: Denying the facts means imputing false personal motivations to knowers of the facts
Faith writes: Warner gives FACTS, something you yourself can check out if you would. What facts are you putting forward for Obama not being eligible for the presidency?
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Taq
Member Posts: 10085 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 115 of 218 (795486)
12-13-2016 2:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 111 by Faith
12-13-2016 2:12 PM
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Re: Denying the facts means imputing false personal motivations to knowers of the facts
Faith writes: The RCC in its nascent period did coerce kings into converting, such as Charlemagne, and then they in turn made all the subjects members of their religion. But this was not by violence and murder, and coercion in any form is not the way Christ told us to spread the gospel: "Go into all the world and PREACH the gospel" He said. Not so Mohammed, who went around killing people, which is how the Middle East came under Islam, and how his successors continued to "convert" people afterwards Charlemagne had 4,500 Saxons slain when they refused to convert to Christianity: Interview Converting By the Sword | Christian History Magazine
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Taq
Member Posts: 10085 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 133 of 218 (795624)
12-14-2016 4:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 132 by Faith
12-14-2016 4:48 PM
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Re: memory is terrible, the documents are fake, the quotes have been mined
Faith writes: What else is there to say? Please, keep going. You do nothing but discredit the movement you belong to. You are our best ally.
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Message 163 of 218 (795738)
12-15-2016 2:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 161 by Faith
12-15-2016 2:01 PM
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Re: The mailman's memory fits all the known facts
Faith writes: The evidence that the mailman gave amounts to every reason to suppose it was Obama, whether you dispute the evidence or not. From the evidence given it is quite right to conclude that it was Obama. Then how do you explain the birth certificate from Hawaii? How do you explain the Hawaiian newspaper birth announcement?
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