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lfen Member (Idle past 4707 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
The problem with the credibilty is that none of these fantastic claims ever had any of the evidence for them examined. Also, even IF some of the evidence actually exists as claimed, it is not even evidence of what is being claimed it is evidence for. Ramoss, I think this is one of the best summations of religion that I have read. Religion as you noted is about "impressive claims". The claims are so impressive, offer so much that believers just want to believe it and then the fact that they are impressive is proof they are true on the grounds of who could have made it up? who but Allah could have written the Koran? Who but God could have died for you to save you. The maze of rationalization and irrationality that constitutes religion is staggering but certainly more representative of human thinking than is science. At least this will be the case for the forseeable future. lfen
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: The blood of the sacrifices over the centuries having been applied to the mercy seat, would God have had it so as to have the blood of Jesus literally being applied to the ark? It occurs to me that that scenario resembles the ruse that Rebekah and Jacob used to steal Esau's birthright:
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Think you have your wires crossed,Mutt. I neither support Ron or Moller`s video. If I did, I would take a franchise and flog the info to gullible Christians.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Who but God could have died for you to save you. It was God's son who died. God has never died nor ever will die. Edited by Buzsaw, : Fix quotes BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW
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lfen Member (Idle past 4707 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
It was God's son who died. God has never died nor ever will die. I was just taking an example from the trinitarians on this board. It doesn't change the general meaning of my comment if you substitute "God's son" for "God" though. lfen
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
It was God's son who died. God has never died nor ever will die. jesus ≠ god?
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lfen Member (Idle past 4707 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Arach,
There have been a few non trinitarian Christian to visit this board. One or two were JW but the others weren't. They point out that there is no real support for the Trinity doctrine in the Gospels. I'm assuming that Buz believes that Jehovah is God, and Jesus is the Lord his son but not identical with him, so not God. I find theology mostly a case of if believe we have bacon then if we believe we have eggs we believe we have bacon and eggs as we eat our oatmeal. I've given up bacon and eggs myself in favor of oatbran but you get my drift. lfen
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
as far as i am aware, buz is a trinitarian. but i could be wrong, which is why i was asking.
personally, i am a non-trinitarian myself.
They point out that there is no real support for the Trinity doctrine in the Gospels. debatable, actually. we have debated it here many times before, too. fomr some of the verses in question, jw's have a non-standard translation, that render even less support for the idea.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Ifen writes: I was just taking an example from the trinitarians on this board. It doesn't change the general meaning of my comment if you substitute "God's son" for "God" though. God didn't die. God's son Jesus died. Any trinitarians who don't understand the functions of the members of the trinity need to brush up on their trinitarian doctrine. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Jehovah the father is father and god of Jesus the son of the true god Jehovah. Jesus himself always refers to his father as God or Father. The thread is about the blood of Jesus, not the blood of God his father. Jesus and God are considered one via the Holy Spirit which is both the spirit of the father and of the son.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
i'm still having problems figuring out whether or not you are a trinitarian. ie: is jesus god, or not?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Arach writes: i'm still having problems figuring out whether or not you are a trinitarian. ie: is jesus god, or not? I consider myself to be a trinitarian. 1. The (abe: only true) god Jehovah, the father. 2. The son of the god Jehovah, Jesus. 3. The spirit of both the god Jehovah and the son of the god Jehovah, the Holy Spirit. They are one in that they both share the same spirit, the same spirit that makes us children of God our heavenly father. God is our father and Jesus is our saviour/lord/master who intercedes for us to the father. Thus we pray to God the father in the name of Jesus. Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
ok, that clears it up for me, i think. thanks for clarifying.
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lfen Member (Idle past 4707 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
I don't grasp the trinity concept. It seems like some sort of political compromise that came out of the early church, a kind of diplomatic language with vagueness of concept that would allow all the parties to think their view point was represented, but it leaves the impression that God has a case of split personality.
lfen
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I don't grasp the trinity concept. It seems like some sort of political compromise that came out of the early church, a kind of diplomatic language with vagueness of concept that would allow all the parties to think their view point was represented, but it leaves the impression that God has a case of split personality. no argument here. i've made my case a few times before on this issue. i don't see the logic in it either (being a former trinitarian myself) i was just trying to figure out what buzsaw meant, because his first comment seemed to indicate that he was also a non-trinitarian.
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