Does Darwinism Equal "No God"?

Yes, it was Christianity that Darwinism specifically challenged, which had been after all the religion of the West for a millennium or so, but that challenge led to atheism for huge numbers of Westerners, and to compromising the word of God for others. Deism was already an attempt to cope with the previous century's attacks on the Bible. Since they'd already accepted science over the Bible they had no problem keeping their vague God in the picture. As scripture says, however, even the demons believe there is a God, so it's as good as atheism from a Christian point of view to believe in the kind of God evolutionism has left so many with.

Copernicus did not challenge the Bible. The idea that the sun revolved around the earth was not Biblical but Aristotelian. And there was no crisis at that time that led to millions rejecting the God of Christianity, as there was with Darwinism. However it is also true that the God of the Roman church at that time was not clearly the God of the Bible in any case. It took the Reformation to bring the Biblical God back into focus in the West.

The 2 prominent evos stated that the significance of Darwin is that there is no Designer, and it's clear they mean "No God"!You guys just don't want to own up to that, for some reason.

I'd like some sort of reference for the claim that the theory of evolution led to millions of people rejecting Christianity, please.But, separate of history, it is the theologians/philosophers that set themselves up for a spiritual crisis by placing God in gap in human knowledge. Scientists are just filling those gaps; they have no (scientific) interest in God.If, indeed, you demonstrate that the theory of evolution led to the rejection of Christ by millions of believers: It is not Darwin's fault. It is not science's fault. It is the fault of those theologians that mislead their followers and put silly limits on how God can accomplish His creation.

I don't care what those two guys said, and it seems it isn't even clear what they said - whatever they said was their personal, non-scientific opinion. The theory of evolution says absolutely nothing about the existence or non-existence of God. The Pope, a prominent Christian, supports the theory of evolution, and it's clear that he means there is no conflict between evolution and Christianity.

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You just don't want to own up to that, for some reason.(See why arguments from authority are silly? See how there is no evo conspiracy where all the lower evos worship anything the prominent evos state?)

The more relevant question is that considering the motivations and logic of prominent evos that argued that evolution disproves a Creator or Designer, should we accept their evidentiary claims and analysis?My experience has been evo factual claims have often been wrong, and so as far as the science side goes, I think objectively one should doubt the veracity of ToE.

They were asked as leading representatives of evolutionary science what the significance of Darwin was, and they explicitly stated the significance was the claim of no Designer.You may not care, but I think it shows the sort of logic that is behind the formation and development of ToE, and that this logic is severely flawed and so the conclusions are flawed.Once again, there is no substantiation mutations are random. It is mere assertion, and something it seems evos have a hard time even defining among themselves.

Faith asserts: Very good point and let me try to explain further. If this seems to get OT then perhaps you can start a thread where we can discuss it. However I'll try to keep this short enough and also tie it back into the original topic, Does Darwinism Equal "No God"?I believe that GOD created the universe and all that is in it. Does that mean he designed stars, and galaxies? No. Does that mean he designed humans and ants? No.God created the systems. He thought, for lack of an adequate word, the rules into existence. He created the four forces, evolution and all the basic rules we are only beginning to understand. He did not design the results, they are simply the output, the product of his creation.So Darwinism, or the TOE does not equal atheism. The TOE is simply an explanation of how GOD did it.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Blah, blah, blah. Same old "it's just a theory" argument.Science is self-correcting, it disproves itself and revises concepts with time, a theory is never proven... you've heard it all before, I'm sure.Revision/correction/uncovering errors is a strength of science, not a weakness.

I expand on my beliefs in Message 143. Maybe that will help.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Self-correcting with a little help from creationists and critics of evolution, and even then some fraudulent claims have taken over 125 years to be corrected, and the jury is still out on whether evos will assert the same ole myths again.

I don't care. (And since I haven't seen the transcript, I don't even know if your "explicit" claims are true).The Pope supports the theory of evolution. He is a leading representative of Christianity.Do you care? Or do you form your own opinion?

So this is not the sort of God that counts the hairs of the head, I take it. That could be a little problematical.

Too far Off Topic.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You've been repeatedly trounced on your Haeckel claims - if you try any of your ridiculous Haeckeling in this thread, I'm like totally gonna tell on you, and your gonna get in big trouble.