Where should there be "The right to refuse service"?

The way the scriptures are twisted here ought to give YOU pause, not me. Loving sinners does not mean supporting the sin, it means calling them to repentance from their sins. Loving your neighbor does not mean ignoring the sins that will take him to hell. It means caring for his basic needs and treating him with respect, but it does not mean depriving him of the knowledge that sin has eternal consequences, or doing anything that violates God's law.You don't like the comparison with pedophilia because you think that's a really terrible sin while you think homosexuality is acceptable, but in God's eyes they are both sins, and both are psychological aberrations in a way that other sins are not, so that it's hard to find other comparisons. There are plenty of heterosexual sins but none of them are characteristic of a person the way homosexuality is or I would use them as my comparison.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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It means caring for his basic needs and treating him with respect
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So bake the damn cake and treat people with respect, for God's sake be a bloody Christian.

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You do not speak for God. Listen to yourself..... Read your book with love for your fellow man, not hatred and bigotry. You're sounding like the poster child for everything that's wrong with extreme and deluded religious belief.

I have no hatred or bigotry, that's coming from you all it seems to me. You have no feeling for the situation a Christian is in with respect to gay marriage and you shouldn't even have an opinion about it. Your accusations of me are quite frankly offensive to God and the idea that I can't know what sin is in God's eyes just shows your blindness to the scriptures you have the presumption to define to me.It takes no special understanding to know that both homosexuality and pedophilia are sins in God's eyes, all it takes is believing what the Bible says. There is nothing difficult or obscure about the passages that refer to homosexuality. In the OT they were punished by death, in the NT they are warned that they will not inherit the kingdom of God, but you think that love means standing by while they skip happily to Hell? You have a really big jolt of a rethink coming somewhere down the road.

Is it OK to refuse pie to kittens who lose their mittens?

Cool, you've got it. Can you shut up about it already? No, really. Die already. Just go away.

Momma cat thought so.

You don't much like hearing the truth I guess.ABE: Stop the false accusations on this thread and the ridiculous twisting of what I say and I'll stop answering with the truth about the situation.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Every single person you talk to, you say that they are twisting your words. If it something that is happening with every single person, then you, yourself, are the problem. That's retarded.

You can't even get the most basic facts about our world correct. What you can guess about what I like hearing isn't any better.You're so far gone that you are literally a joke. Like, the poster child for being insanely deluded. No, you won't.Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

The truth is that you don't believe in Jesus's values at all do you?You hate all that 'liberal' stuff that Jesus says about loving your neighbour, turning the other cheek, do as you would be done by, the good Samaritan and washing the feet of sinners.No, you prefer the Old Testament God of retribution and damnation - except when it seems too hideous even for you to defend, you know, when you decide that's it's ok that your God says you can almost kill a slave because he meant it just for Isrealites and not Christians.Faith, you're a piece of work; but sure as hell, not God's work.

You'd have a point if you weren't all saying the same thing.As for Funny, I distinctly remember its being made a big deal even at EvC that

It's called rightly dividing the word of truth, the NEW TESTAMENT. Sad that someone has misled you about what Jesus said, to the point that you would actually preach such a twisted view of it to me. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Like DOMA? You had that up until last year. It caused misery. After all, the only reason to define a single type of contract as being only able to be signed by mixed-sex couples is out of animus. ABC News/Washington Post Poll. May 29-June 1, 2014
"Overall, do you support or oppose allowing gays and lesbians to marry legally?"
Support: 56% Gallup Poll. May 8-11, 2014.
"Do you think marriages between same-sex couples should or should not be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages?"
Should: 55% Bloomberg National Poll conducted by Selzer & Company. March 7-10, 2014
"Do you support or oppose allowing same-sex couples to get married?"
Support: 55% ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Feb. 27-March 2, 2014
"If a candidate for U.S. Congress supports gay marriage, would that make you more likely to vote for that candidate, less likely or wouldn't it make much difference in your vote?"
More 28%
Less 25%"Do you think businesses should or should not be allowed to refuse service to gays and lesbians?"
Should not: 81% CBS News/New York Times Poll. Feb. 19-23, 2014
"Do you think it should be legal or not legal for same-sex couples to marry?"
Legal: 56% Public Religion Research Institute, conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates. Nov. 12-Dec. 18, 2013.
"Now, I'd like to get your views on some issues that are being discussed in the country today."All in all, do you strongly favor, favor, oppose, or strongly oppose allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry legally?"
Strongly favor: 22%
Strongly oppose: 20%Favor: 31%
Oppose: 21% Gallup Poll. July 10-14, 2013.
"Suppose that on Election Day you could vote on key issues as well as candidates. Would you vote for or against a federal law that would make same-sex marriages legal in all 50 states?"
Vote for: 52%
Against: 43%This is part of a trend that is looking quite directional, against your perception of the 'will of the people'.And besides, much of the point of having rights and freedoms means that the 'will of the people' should not be a factor in deciding who gets what rights. They either have those rights according to the reading of the law and constitution, or they do not. The fact that same-sex marriage is becoming legal in States is a result of politicians not doing what they now consider the right thing, when it was unpopular. I'm sure we'd all praise a politician who enshrined protection of Jews during a time of persecutions or ostracizement (1% of US population) Like Jews, see above. Minorities have had rights that inhibit the majority from using their numbers to mistreat them socially, in employment, service, and in law for a long time.Let's say there are 30 million mainline Protestants in the USA (as you consider yourself).62% of white mainline Protestants support same-sex marriage.
41% of black mainline Protestants support same-sex marriage.Let's say 20 million mainline Protestants are white. So let's say 8 million of them are against same-sex marriage.That leaves 10 million black mainline Protestants. 6 million oppose same sex marriage.That puts you in a minority among mainline Protestants of 14 million (vs 16 million).Your 14 million bible Believing cohorts does not seem to be that big of majority in a country of a 1/3 billion. And among them, how many are likely to be in a position we've described or seen legal action about?I'm pretty sure once we take that into account, the 'tiny minority' of homosexuals (say 4 million, to use conservative figures) begins not to look so relatively small after all.Account SuspendedWithin a decade or two, this problem will be even more of a non-issue. 69% of millennials favour same-sex marriage, compared with 37% of your generation. Even 50% of Republican voting Millennials favour it. And they are the ones starting families now. Even White evangelical Protestant Millennials are coming round (43%). The fascistic oppression won't be necessary for long. You are under an error. You do not have the right to serve wedding cakes. You are not obligated by law to provide services to weddings. Please do not call your flawed but beautiful idea of a country to shame by comparing it to fascism. If you happen to one of the tiny minority of people that might be affected, you'll have to adapt or risk losing the business entirely.Here is a look at what the face of modern fascism looks like:

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The National Front advocates a total ban on any further non-White immigration into Britain, and the launching of a phased plan of repatriation for all coloured immigrants.
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So calling the US government 'fascists' is fun. It's outrageous and disgusting as it reduces the perception of real fascism.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

Using the term 'retard' in a disparaging fashion is bad.Disparaging a member of EvC forum. Verboten.Cease desist, and I would suggest, apologize or suspensions may well follow.

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It's called rightly dividing the word of truth
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You hate liberal Jesus don't you Faith? You hate the idea that he loved sinners and told you to do the same. He should have smited the prostitutes shouldn't he Faith, not washed their feet?But most of all Faith you hate the knowledge that Jesus would have baked the homosexuals a cake. He would have done it becuase he would recognise that they loved each other so much that they want to publicly take vows to be true to each other for life. And if there was ever a message Jesus wanted to give it was about peace and love and treating oneanother with respect.It must be hard living with the contradiction.