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Author Topic:   Where should there be "The right to refuse service"?
Capt Stormfield
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Message 403 of 928 (755062)
04-04-2015 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 363 by herebedragons
04-03-2015 7:45 AM


Re: NPR - Southern Baptist Minister: Religious Liberty Law Permits Denial Of Some Service
Should I be forced to serve that "class" of people regardless of my personal feelings on the subject?
The thing is, being an asshole isn't a class. You're not allowed to refuse service based on their "class". You ought to be, and are, allowed to refuse service to people for just being crappy customers. Members of the KKK are not a protected class, and you can just tell them to take their cake idea and shove it.

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 404 of 928 (755063)
04-04-2015 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 378 by jar
04-03-2015 12:41 PM


Re: in the US
I really believe that it is the speech I very most disagree with that I must allow.
You may be confusing your responsibilities with those of the government.
Edit after reading farther in the thread: I think you are seriously confused about the concept of free speech. You are not the government. You have no obligation to facilitate the speech of others beyond discouraging the government from impeding it. Acting on your own opinions by withdrawing your consent and cooperation from the actions of others is not censorship, nor does it impinge on their free speech. I am baffled by your reasoning.
Edited by Capt Stormfield, : No reason given.

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 421 of 928 (755087)
04-04-2015 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 410 by jar
04-04-2015 9:01 AM


Re: in the US
How odd. Here I'd gone all these years thinking that one of the rationales for not having government censorship was that ideas should battle it out in the intellectual marketplace. That bad ideas would be argued against, scorned, laughed at, and be left to wither and die on the vine. But now, apparently, when an idiotic idea is in danger of dying I have to water it, and nurse it, and help it survive?
Once again, I am pretty sure you are equivocating or misunderstanding the concept of "protect" as it applies to other people's speech. In another post you mentioned control of media and the news by larger interests. If someone is pushing a hateful idea that is propagating through the concerted efforts by just such forces, how would your stepping up to facilitate its spread be advancing the cause of free speech?

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 733 of 928 (758280)
05-23-2015 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 721 by AZPaul3
05-21-2015 3:05 AM


Re: Can bake, won't bake, UK
So if a baker agreed to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple but refused to provide a 2 groom topper or only to provide the usual bride-groom topper, is this actionable under commercial anti-discrimination laws?
Like most of the scenarios dreamed up by the fear-mongers, this is absurd on the face of it. A cake topper is a product. If you don't stock a product, you cannot be required to sell it. Period. There is no requirement that a business sell every product available.

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 734 of 928 (758281)
05-23-2015 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 732 by dwise1
05-23-2015 12:47 AM


I sincerely hope you aren't holding your breath waiting for a coherent reply to these questions. Claims like these remind me of the "preacher stories" I remember from childhood. Somewhere in my adolescence I realized that when a minister used the phrase "The story is told of..." that it really meant "What I am about to say is made-up horse shit that serves my purpose."

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 765 of 928 (758357)
05-24-2015 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 764 by AZPaul3
05-24-2015 8:43 AM


Sure, but what if the seats at the back of the bus have extra padding? That would be nice wouldn't it? Plus buses have a door at the back now, so it's not like you actually have to walk past the empty seats at the front.
Silly negroes! They don't realize how easy they could still be having it.

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