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Author Topic:   Request for Carbon-14 Dating explanation
Rick Rose
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Message 59 of 74 (107633)
05-11-2004 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by BobAliceEve
05-11-2004 4:10 PM


Re: BAE and 13,600 years
Very logical and probably original. I am anxious to see some of the results or imputs from others. There is a point that I would like to make. There have been tremendous solar flares. No one knows the intensity of these flares in millenia past. But there has been a chart published for recent measurable solar history. I don't have it in front of me, but one solar flare on Feb 23, 1956 produced as much carbon 14 in a few hours as in a whole year of average cosmic radiation. Input/output may not be steady even over long periods of time. There are also other factors that can change the ratios such as past sea levels.
It is true that most creationists would be pleased with your results if they seemed correct. I am a believer in Gen creation. No where in the record can I come up with thier model of a young earth, and I believe every word of Gen ch 1-3. Nevertheless, your novel aproach is just that. Thank you for your expansion of thought.
rickrose
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Rick Rose
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Message 62 of 74 (107648)
05-12-2004 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by NosyNed
05-12-2004 12:10 AM


Re: So?
Ned, I was merely replying to the mathamatical model of post 57. Message 57
His model for a young atmosphere, as he stated could only work like an anuity if the model is as stable as an anuity. I was merely pointing out that radiocarbon input output is not stable for the purpose of replying to his model. Hence his calculation of a 13,600 yr atmosphere would be hard pressed.
rickrose
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Rick Rose
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Message 64 of 74 (107652)
05-12-2004 1:18 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by NosyNed
05-12-2004 12:10 AM


Re: So?
There are also other factors that can change the ratios such as past sea levels.
Where did this come from? What other factors? How do past sea levels change the C-14, c-12 ratio?
You criticize the thought that sea levels can alter c-14 constants. I know that I have a lot of study to do, but so do you. The ocean is earths greatest carbon 12 reservior. Altering It's volume can alter the syncronization of our radioactive clock. This issue goes back as far as the uppsalla conference. I'm suprised you haven't stumbled upon it by now.
How about fluctuations in earths magnetic field. As the field intensifies, fewer cosmic rays penetrate atmosphere, lowering c-14 production. As the field weakens the opposite occurs - more c-14. I'm quite sure all these subjects have been discussed on evc.
Ned, follow the thread back to 57. See that I was merely responding to something totally different than you assumed -- lighten your load.
rickrose

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Rick Rose
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Message 65 of 74 (107653)
05-12-2004 1:21 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by NosyNed
05-12-2004 12:52 AM


Re: Sorry
Sorry, I responded without seeing that you jumped.
good nights rest
rickrose

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Rick Rose
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Message 66 of 74 (107656)
05-12-2004 1:48 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by RAZD
05-11-2004 11:57 PM


Re: Courtesy
Message 47
It would be great to have a thread dedicated to dendrochronology - not simply that a calibration has been made, but a real discussion about how the calibrations were made. Everywhere I look, I see the dendro calibration implication. Not once have I found how the calibrations were caried out. I have found sites that may require a degree in chemistry, math and physics to understand, but how about a discussion of a-z about how all the calibration has been achieved - not throuth lake varves or ice, but for now through trees.
RAZD, your response is:
sorry, I have a link on my thread about age correlations
(http://< !--UB EvC Forum: Age Correlations and an Old Earth -->http://EvC Forum: Age Correlations and an Old Earth -->EvC Forum: Age Correlations and an Old Earth< !--UE-->)
in the section on the oak tree ring data that gives a pretty good overview of the process of dendrochronology:
Useful Tree Species for Tree-Ring Dating
including some of the problems encountered.
I just read those articles sited in your links and the one about a year without a summer, and they do not adress the mechanisms of dendrochronology calibration. How about a discussion the a-z of calibration. It's just not to be found.
rickrose
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Rick Rose
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Message 69 of 74 (107962)
05-13-2004 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by RAZD
05-12-2004 1:45 PM


Re: Courtesy
I do appreciate the time you took to respond to such a novice. I am trying to find a book about the radiocarbon/dendrochronology curve. I prefer books over web sites as I can follow the author at my leasure. I will look up your posted web sites.
rickrose

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