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coffee_addict
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Message 9 of 95 (117898)
06-23-2004 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Mission for Truth
06-22-2004 11:58 AM


MfT writes:
If infinite, how does that correspond with the Big Bang which gave time a starting point?
The big bang event (the original point of expansion) not only gave birth to time but also space itself. It wasn't matter and energy that started to expand from this single point. It's also space itself that expanded.

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coffee_addict
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Message 22 of 95 (118151)
06-24-2004 2:47 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Buzsaw
06-23-2004 10:07 PM


buzsaw writes:
Lam, please define space. If it allegedly expanded what did it expand into and what did it displace?
You need to read Flatland by... what the hell is his name?
Anyway, it gives a very enlightening explanation of why 3 dimensional beings like us have such a hard time understanding what the other dimensions beyond time look like.
When you ask the question "what did it expand into and what did it displace?" it shows me that you are still thinking 3 dimensional. You want to to be able to visualize space expanding and displacing other 3 dimensional-like "stuff". You want to be able to visualize what the 5th, 6th, 7th, and so on dimensions look like. The truth is not a single person on this planet can imagine what those dimensions look like. Mathematical calculations and years of research have shown that there are at least 10 dimensions in our universe, yet we can only perceive 4 (depth, width, height, and time).
So, right now I don't believe anyone has an answer for you. I have heard of some rather wild theories out there though.
By the way, if you can demonstrate what the other dimensions look like, you will probably win a nobel prize. If that happen, don't forget to mention my name, the one that gave you the idea.

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coffee_addict
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Message 27 of 95 (118263)
06-24-2004 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by NosyNed
06-24-2004 2:48 AM


Re: overstating the case
Ned writes:
This is hardly at the state of "shown".
True. I probably chose the wrong word to describe it. After all, we are talking about something that is so beasty and theoretical that only a hand full of people claim to have an idea of what's going on.

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Message 37 of 95 (122325)
07-06-2004 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by compugeek
06-27-2004 5:44 PM


Re: Dont dwell on it
Ever heard of the theory where the visible universe is actually larger than the actual universe?

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Message 57 of 95 (130551)
08-05-2004 2:24 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by nipok
08-05-2004 1:13 AM


Re: It's late and I'm off to bed but here goes..
I've been ignoring your posts until now because your initial post in this thread made no sense at all. I've gotten into the habit of just ignoring the ramblers of this site. However, after Eta's responses, I just had to go back and reread your messages. It seems to me that you don't even know what a point particle is.
nipok writes:
First Electrons are not Leptons. They as you know are two very different particles. Leptons make up electrons. When two atoms collide the nucleus of each atom does not touch, the outer electron shells are what actually make contact during the collision. Since electrons are made up of leptons then when two atoms collide I submit to you that in actuality it is two or more leptons actually making contact. The electrons spin in their orbit around the nucleus at a fast rate. It is likely that leptons have orbits inside the electron and the subparticles that make up leptons have orbits and the subparticles that make up those particles have orbits. The fact that our scientific precision does not yet exist to clearly define the subparticles that make up the subparticles that make up leptons does not negate their existence. Again, you cannot dismiss the unknown because it has not been proven. You can dismiss the known when it is proven to be in error but that which is unknown if it is logical can still be a very strong part of any theory.
This paragraph alone tells me something. You are somehow trapped in a time warp where classical newtonian physics still apply to the subatomic world. To some extent, it is helpful, but we've moved beyond that. You seem to think that electrons orbit around the nucleus of an atom in a way much like the planets orbit around the sun. This is out-of-date science.
You could benefit more on this forum by asking more questions than making claims.
By the way, the reason people are reluctant to debating with you is because you have posted a bunch of pseudofacts (if there is such a word). It's pointless to make an argument against a pile of crap, wouldn't you agree?

The Laminator
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