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Message 433 of 739 (122518)
07-06-2004 10:34 PM
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07-06-2004 9:17 PM


Re: Claims Explanations
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http://www.19x19lc.com/chapter05.htm
Gil:
I only posted a quick overview of my ultimate claims. IF the evidence posted is true THEN this in turn evidences the truth/claims of the overview.
About the links: just scroll down to the relevant stuff concerning the Isaiah text.
BTW, I have not forsaken our other debate. It's just that your atheist brothers have saved you by suspending me.
Are you not curious as to what is the acid proof that the Spirit dwells in a person ? - the one thing which cannot be faked ? (hint: its in the Bible)

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Message 434 of 739 (122520)
07-06-2004 10:39 PM


PERCY
Do I need web hosting in order to post pictures, diagrams, and text ?

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Message 435 of 739 (122523)
07-06-2004 10:43 PM
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07-06-2004 9:17 PM


Re: Claims Explanations
Remember that I also stated that the BBC produced a documentary re-enacted most of the major construction processes of the Pyramid, using ancient and very primitive technology.
Absolute rubbish.
The only reason such SHOWS are produced IS BECAUSE nobody knows how it was constructed.

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Message 441 of 739 (122741)
07-07-2004 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 439 by Gilgamesh
07-07-2004 1:10 AM


Re: Claims Explanations
Why do you believe this lie:
Gilgamesh writes:
If a few bored uni students can cut a Pyramid sized stone with hand tools, move it around with woodern levers and logs to roll it, place on a barge with ropes and pullies and muscle power, deliver it to another distant site using only primitive tools, then there is nothing miraculous about the same process being repeated thousands of years ago by a huge workforce over a century of labor.
But not this "lie":
Gilgamesh writes:
Don't underestimate our ancient ancestors. They conceived and drafted one of the best tools for religion and control of the masses: the Bible, afterall.
Don't bother with a reply - it is rhetorical.
If students could actually do what you asserted then the SHOW would of never been produced.
Nobody can cut limestone/edit: granite blocks (20 tons average) with optical precision using hand tools, and move them around without cranes, your quickness to embrace these crank demonstrations defies reality and the evidence which makes your constant purported allegiance to evidence selective lip service.
These "Hollywood" shows are the epitome of desparation and dedication to dogma, which is ONLY done because the alternative is the evidence of Divinity, and the Romans 1 wrath of God sense removal is further demonstrated, despite the evidence - God is not an option.
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Message 442 of 739 (122742)
07-07-2004 3:31 PM
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07-07-2004 1:10 AM


Re: Claims Explanations
Mankind has experienced technological cycles: there have been many times on the past, in different areas of the world where civilisation was much more advanced than it became many centuries later.
Can I take this as an admission that the evolutionary scenario of ultra slow step by tiny step is falsified by this statement of fact ?

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Message 444 of 739 (122752)
07-07-2004 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 443 by pink sasquatch
07-07-2004 3:45 PM


REGARDING EVIDENCE
Please, please - show us some evidence.
This opinion implies that no evidence has been posted.
I will not go further with you until the evidence is acknowledged.
Why should I keep posting if all you are going to do is act like it aint there ?
Why is it that some people are allowed to evidence by link but not me ?
All my previous evidence was argued and explained while citing the source.....sources that obtained their evidence IN EGYPT, which makes their evidence first hand.
While the rules of this Forum are actually quite ambiguous, I have certainly satisfied these requirements and beyond. I have made claims, posted the evidence, and cited the source, a source in the case of Dr. Rutherford who produced ALL his evidence from being in Egypt.
UNTIL THIS IS RECTIFIED AND ACKNOWLEDGED I HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN.
I am personally satisfied that the responses all equate to saying "where is the evidence ?"
In lieu of the evidence this is all you can say.
Nobody has met my evidence with contrary evidence with source.
I will not be held to a different standard in order to comply with a silent handicap which you are giving yourselves.
Either acknowledge what I have posted or create a one line post of dismissal and acknowledge it in this thoroughly defeated way.

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Message 446 of 739 (122756)
07-07-2004 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 445 by Percy
07-07-2004 4:08 PM


Re: REGARDING EVIDENCE
Percy:
I have agreed to post the "math" when I re-acquire the sources. I will have them tonight and can begin posting tomorrow.
BUT, until the primary evidence is acknowledged as evidence (Dr. Rutherford's evidenced produced by his research IN EGYPT) then to continue without this recognition is to agree that I have not posted evidence.
Dr. Rutherford says the Pyramid is 5449 PI in height.
That is a claim with source cite.
That is evidence.
I have agreed to post the math but not until the standard of what evidence is is established and evenly applied.
Pink is not even paying attention or he wouldn't of acted like he didn't know that I had to re-acquire the sources.
Concerning the unit of measure: I have posted the primary evidence with source. Until someone argues my position in their own words and THEN tells me why it is error with their sources this is a double standard.
Everything I say is ignored to some degree, until some honesty is directed my way I will not act like it is there and play the fool.

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Message 451 of 739 (122786)
07-07-2004 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 449 by NosyNed
07-07-2004 5:20 PM


Re: REGARDING EVIDENCE
Now about post 400 --- have you agreed that the list of claims are those that your sources make? Do you agree that is what, through those sources, you are claiming?
Yes, of course.
Now, about the CENTER of world's land mass claim:
Here is a site that reflects your view:
http://www.catchpenny.org/pyramid.html
Here is a site defending my sources:
http://www.thairuralnet.org/sunit/pyramid2.html
Please review them thoroughly.
Now go to this site and get a whiff of the type of math employed used to determine the height by anti-supenaturalist Flinders Petrie. Note that Petrie's height is not anywhere near 5449. Rutherford will refute Petrie when I post his math ASAP. The point is to get a feel for the math !
petrie Click on "Levels up the Pyramid"

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Message 455 of 739 (122797)
07-07-2004 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 452 by pink sasquatch
07-07-2004 7:13 PM


Re: REGARDING EVIDENCE
Pinkie:
Just for the record:
The link you critiqued in the post I am responding to was ONLY offered to support my sources for the CENTER of land mass claim.
Go back and re-read the initial post - I only linked for that particular claim - not the height.
The Petrie site was linked to show how complicated the math is.
If you think Rutherford is going to be different ......

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Message 458 of 739 (122808)
07-07-2004 7:48 PM
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07-07-2004 7:37 PM


Re: REGARDING EVIDENCE
Please think about this for a moment, WILLOWTREE - you are asking us to look at a source and only believe the part that you want us to believe, and that the rest in incorrect. If you yourself agree that 95% of the site is incorrect, why should we believe the 5% that you are using as evidence?
By this same logic THEN we must toss everything Charles Darwin claimed.

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Message 464 of 739 (123022)
07-08-2004 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 454 by sidelined
07-07-2004 7:22 PM


Re: REGARDING EVIDENCE
Sidelined:
I appreciate your input.
BUT, the site you critiqued was only offered for its center of world's land mass value.
This is amazing but unfortunately there are no calculations to show this as being so however since the Earth is an oblate spheroid we must first determine where on the planet that curvature is measured. Also considering the ratio of the Earth to the pyramid being so large I suspect the effective curvature of the Earth over 9131 inches would approximate a straight line to a high degree.
The Earth is a "sphere" flattened at the poles, but in reality it is really equatorial protuberance via centrifugal force which accounts for the true spheric defect.
I am going to recover the measurements and math which evidence that the Pyramid's slight concavity doubled equals the curvature of the Earth.

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Message 466 of 739 (123026)
07-08-2004 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 461 by wmscott
07-07-2004 11:25 PM


Re: proof that the great Pyramid is not of divine origin or significance
Anderson is a Jehovah's Witness/Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society member.
He has created a post which essentially says that the Isaiah verse does not mean what it says and he defines "altar" using only one of the definitions of that word. I have already addressed this specific issue early on in this debate. I suggest Anderson acquaint himself with that portion of the debate.
In the meantime here is a site which evidences the fraud and bias of Jehovah's Witness concerning the Pyramid. I have cut and pasted the conclusion.
Forbidden
It seems to be clear that Charles Taze Russell, the founder and first president of the Watch Tower Bible And Tract Society, was less than honest in his presentation of the facts relating to the Bible and the Great Pyramid of Egypt. Further, without judging his heart, it appears that he wrote in such a way as to intentionally mislead and deceive his readers. It appears that his only concern was to lend credence to his personnel eschatological views. This he did with very little regard for accuracy or respect for the truth.

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Message 468 of 739 (123035)
07-08-2004 4:14 PM


From "Pyramidology" Book III, page 1129
by Dr. Adam Rutherford in Egypt, 1925,1950,1963,1964,1965
"The figure of 5448.7360 PI is the height of the GP geometrically derived. Deduct the Rectification Factor multiplied by the tangent of the Pyramidic 'pi' angle (Casing angle). Expressed arithmetically:
5813.0125-364.2765=5448.7360 PI"
The Pyramid's summit platform therefore lies within the 5449th PI above the pavement level at the base and in the Bible this number is the identification number of Isaiah 19:19,20" END RUTHERFORD QUOTE.
The Rectificaion Factor was explained in the preceding pages. I do not know how to communicate these multiple pages.

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Message 469 of 739 (123036)
07-08-2004 4:16 PM
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07-08-2004 4:05 PM


Re: proof that the great Pyramid is not of divine origin or significance
In the name of accuracy, your italics does not say what I actually said.

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Message 474 of 739 (123051)
07-08-2004 4:53 PM


From: http://home.hiwaay.net/~jalison/30th.html
Unlike the diagrams above, the earth is not perfectly spherical. It is slightly wider at the equator and slightly flattened at the poles. This is primarily due to the centrifugal force generated by the spin of the earth on it's axis. As a result, the curvature of the earth is greater towards the equator, and less towards the poles, causing the length of degrees of latitude to increase very slightly from the equator to the poles. The length of one degree of latitude from the equator to 1?/span> north is 68.71 miles. The length of one degree of latitude from 89?/span> north to the north pole is 69.4 miles. 68.71 miles is equal to 362776 feet, divided by sixty equals 6046 feet per minute of latitude, divided by two equals 3023 feet for one-half minute of latitude at the equator. This is the precise length of the perimeter of the Great Pyramid.
With baselengths of 440 cubits per side, the perimeter of the Great Pyramid is 1,760 cubits long. The ancient Egyptian cubit equals one and a half ancient Egyptian feet. The 1,760 cubit perimeter of the Great Pyramid is 2,640 ancient Egyptian feet long. Since this distance equals one half of one minute of latitude at the equator, 5,280 ancient Egyptian feet (the same number of feet found in the English mile) equals the length of one minute of latitude at the equator.
Petrie's measure of the Egyptian cubit was 20.62 inches ( .005 inches). Given a measure of 20.625 inches for the cubit, the ancient Egyptian foot was equal to 13.75 inches, or 1.1458 English feet. The equatorial diameter of the earth is 7,926 miles. A mile is 5,280 feet long, so 7,926 miles is 41,850,000 English feet long. Given an ancient Egyptian foot equal to 1.1458 English feet, the number of ancient Egyptian feet in the diameter of the earth may be calculated by dividing the number of English feet by 1.1458:
41,850,000 ?1.1458 = 36,525,000 (ancient Egyptian feet in the equatorial diameter of the earth)
There are 365.25 days in a year. The number of days in a year times 100,000 is 36,525,000.
Degrees of longitude vary from a maximum length of 69.17 miles at the equator to zero miles at the poles. 69.17 miles is equal to 365,217 English feet, this is also a nearly exact expression of the number of days in a year, times 1,000.
As shown by the Vesica Pisces diagrams, a degree of longitude at the 30th parallel is equal to a degree of longitude at the equator times the square root of three over two (.866):
69.17 miles x .866 = 59.9 miles
The most current Global Positioning Survey data shows that one degree of longitude is exactly 60 miles long at 29.92?/span> north, in the immediate vicinity of Giza and the other pyramid fields just north of ancient Memphis. At this latitude, one minute of longitude is equal to one mile.
A number of additional correspondences exist between the measures of the Great Pyramid in cubits and measures of the earth in miles. The equatorial circumference of the earth is 24,900 miles. The perimeter of the Great Pyramid is 1,760 cubits. 1,760 times the square root of two (1.4142) equals 2,490. The mean radius of the earth is 3,960 miles. The height of the Great Pyramid is 280 cubits. 280 times the square root of two equals 396. One half of the radius of the earth is 1,980 miles. The base lengths of the Great Pyramid at the height that the upper shafts exit the pyramid are 198 cubits. END LINK.
Willowtree writes:
My only point is that no ancient human being had this level of knowledge. A previous post linked an anti-supernaturalist admission that Egyptian archaeological text to be light years in antiquity when compared to the architecture of the Great Pyramid.
When the totality of the Pyramid's structural reality is considered, namely the interior passage system and its exact symbolic confirmation of the Biblical message, and the prophetic chronograph benchmark date of 2141 BC, which is confirmed by the already known dates of the death of Christ and the Exodus, then all these evidences viewed as a whole become the obvious and most glaring genuine interpretation of the monument.

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