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Author Topic:   Problems with an Infinite Universe
RingoKid
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Message 35 of 95 (119730)
06-28-2004 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by compugeek
06-27-2004 5:44 PM


Re: Dont dwell on it
imagine a finite universe constantly expanding at lightspeed into infinity and at the boundary, mass and energy are being converted from *enter your own word for an infinite nothing here* to fill up the spacetime being created...

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RingoKid
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Message 45 of 95 (130192)
08-03-2004 11:33 PM


a wave of thought
light/energy remains in a fixed position, is propagated in the higher dimensions of string theory and the universe by virtue of spacetime expanding moves instead, creating the illusion of movement as we don't have an accurate frame of reference, given that we are observing from within the system.
Meaning light isn't moving towards us we are moving towards it we just have no way of telling.
The light source, us, everything, is in motion relative to everything else in the universe creating the illusion. The only real frame of reference is outside of the physical universe.
I see the light ...uh no it sees you
illuminate and enlighten me please

  
RingoKid
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Message 48 of 95 (130229)
08-04-2004 2:30 AM


Eta...
when you get the chance can you please dissect my wave of thought too ???
anybody else is welcome to as well.
thanx

  
RingoKid
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Message 61 of 95 (130661)
08-05-2004 11:53 AM


this should help...
It's a t-shirt design I did. It'll make you feel more intelligent and look cooler while you're doing it...
...they look bloody good on even if i do say so myself
hit me up if anyone wants one...

  
RingoKid
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Message 67 of 95 (130922)
08-06-2004 2:57 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by nipok
08-05-2004 9:48 PM


Re: But...dude
been there done that, eventually it leads to a dead end in the conversation...
...try your getting your head around this for a start and compare it to string theory
No webpage found at provided URL: http://bobert1.home.mindspring.com/kybalion.html

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RingoKid
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Message 70 of 95 (130967)
08-06-2004 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Primordial Egg
08-06-2004 5:41 AM


Re: But...dude
works fine from my end PE.
just google "kybalion three initiates" and take your pick. If that's what an ancient order of greeks and egyptians believed they weren't far wrong just couched in different language with a few unkowables thrown in for good measurw to keep the punters guessing, not unlike modern physics

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RingoKid
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Message 71 of 95 (130971)
08-06-2004 10:41 AM


Is it possible ...
...that the universe is still banging away at a leading edge only we can never see it or detect it as it's expanding faster than the light it's producing to reach us.
I mean correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Alan Guth saying something about a force that moved matter faster than lightspeed to account for the rapid early universe inflation, yet this force hasn't been identified.
If the universe is finite but constantly expanding into infinity at a leading edge where spacetime is still being created...How could we tell if the first premise were true ???
even the "wave of thought" I had before could allow for a bubble membraned universe to inflate. The energy and light remain fixed yet the source and the observer are moving relative to each other but appearing stationary.
As in the classic people interacting on a train scenario. They are moving about to and fro from carriage to carriage appearing to move in relation to each other or reamaing stationary yet when viewed from outside the train the whole thing is moving forward...but !!!
...the engine pulling it at the front is travelling faster than the later carriages so you get a stretching effect only the people on the train have no idea just a sense of movement when looking out the window ???
hmmmmmmm...

  
RingoKid
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Message 74 of 95 (132567)
08-10-2004 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by nipok
08-09-2004 2:16 AM


Re: multi-dimensional string theory
A string has to vibrate in at least one of our physical dimensions and at least one other in the non physical dimensions for it to exert a detectable presence. As what I don't know, perhaps a photon, a graviton or a positve/negative charge???
For it to exist as a physical object with a 3d co ordinate in space and moving forward in time, eg a point particle, it has to register in all 4 of our percievable dimensions.
The rate of vibration determines it's elemental properties when combined with other strings to form larger particles, atoms, molecules, cells, organisms.
Imagine a string that vibrates in our 4d universe and also dimension 9 which for arguments sake we'll say is the "consciousness" dimension. By combination with other strings in an organism it becomes aware as opposed to a string that doesn't vibrate in dimension 9 which then could be just an inanimate object unconscious of it's own existence.
I like the idea of extra dimensions wrapped in between spacetime fabric as it allows for the existence of the repository of consciousness, souls, and God in heaven, even life.
just a few thoughts...
...as you were

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RingoKid
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Message 77 of 95 (132943)
08-11-2004 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Hydarnes
08-11-2004 10:22 AM


quote:
There are no problems with an infinite universe. The infinite universe hypothesis died years ago in light of entropy.
huh...death = no problems ???
I been reading how BB theory is wraught with flaws and "new" postulates to keep propping it up...true or false ???

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RingoKid
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Message 80 of 95 (133137)
08-12-2004 8:34 AM


deism
"One who believes in the existence of a God or supreme being but denies revealed religion, basing his belief on the light of nature and reason."
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.deism.com/deism_defined.htm
deism, Newton and classical mechanics
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/GLOSSARY/DEISM.HTM
classical mechanics and hermetic vibration
No webpage found at provided URL: http://kybalion.home.att.net/kybalion.html#IX
Nature is aught but the will of God

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RingoKid
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Message 82 of 95 (133368)
08-12-2004 6:54 PM


25 000 years ???
I'd give it 10 -25...
and have you checked out PROUT as a means of harmonious co existence in a possible future ???...coming to a planet near you soon
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.proutworld.org/

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RingoKid
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Message 84 of 95 (133424)
08-12-2004 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by nipok
08-12-2004 10:15 PM


Re: 25 000 years ???
2000 years ???
I'm talking 10 - 25 years.
those on the other side of the fence just have to admit God as a first cause and final result instead of trying to exclude an intelligent designer/creator from the equations and prop it up with even more fanciful speculation...

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RingoKid
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Message 87 of 95 (133741)
08-13-2004 8:56 PM


but what...
would happen in a situation where up to 80-90% of the current population dies within one generation ???
It's a scenario that is not outside the realm of possibility. I think we will reach a global consensus maybe not within 25 years but definitely within 50.

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RingoKid
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Message 91 of 95 (133883)
08-14-2004 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by nipok
08-14-2004 12:13 AM


Re: but what...
sorry for the off topicness...
I actually think most religions are coming to the end of their use by date as they are no longer capable of defining the nature or processes of the Creator. Seems all that is left is obsolete practises and lies. My ancestors (polynesians) converted wholesale and radically adapted their hierarchal structure of governance to accomodate western religion within 4 generations of the introduction of christian missionaries only enough to suit themselves though.
Given that, it wouldn't take much to change current thought on religion and substitute it with a personal spirituality dictated by reason, logic and an awareness of the divine that defines everything in our universe.
All we gotta do is stop buying into the bullshit that leads us around like blind sheep to the slaughter, start questioning things a bit more and acting accordingly.
I have faith that Man is capable of radical change and ready for it.
OK I'll get of the soapbox now...
cheers

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