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Author Topic:   Dating The Exodus II
Lysimachus
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Message 30 of 56 (149877)
10-14-2004 11:34 AM


quote:
Hi Brian:
What are you talking about ?
The Moabite Stone records a victory.
My point stands, that only in the Bible is recorded the defeats of its subject.
Where do the Assyrians or the Babylonians or the Egyptians record their defeats ?
You have made a mistake or you are deliberately twisting the simple issue and point. I would rather believe the former.
sincerely,
WT
Just wanted to comment on this very good point. One of the best I’ve heard yet. This is not even to mention how the Bible records the judgments of God upon the Israelites time and time again. It speaks of overwhelming defeats for the Israelites. One example is where the Israelites were smitten by AI. Another is king Saul where his army was defeated at Jabesh Gilead and he and his sons perished. We have numerous records where the Philistines defeat the Israelites, and even records where the Israelites are subjects to them. Remember the story of Samson? What about the Babylonian siege of Jerusalem? What about the countless records where the Kings of Israel or Judah were displeasing to the Lord? It’s just all over.
Are these sorts of records known to be exerted frequently from ancient documents of other civilizations? Do they speak of their defeats and judgments as frequently as the scriptures speak of the Israelites/Jews? The answer is a far cry from yes.
This in itself should lead one to consider the biblical document a reliable one.
Quoted by WILLOWTREE:
quote:
The Bible is the only source which records the defeats of its subject - the Israelites.
Response by Brian:
quote:
The Bible also records Israel's victories, so I don't see your point.
And your point is? You mean the Bible should only record Israel’s defeats? *faints*

~Lysimachus

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Lysimachus
Member (Idle past 5220 days)
Posts: 380
Joined: 05-30-2004


Message 32 of 56 (149914)
10-14-2004 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Cold Foreign Object
10-13-2004 12:53 AM


Re: For Lysimachus
quote:
I lost all respect for Wyatt when he made the unforgivable "rookie" mistake of asserting that the blood of Christ must splatter the Mecry Seat on Earth. Every evangelical scholar agrees that the Holy of Holies typifies heaven and that Jesus delivered His blood to the propitiatory in heaven to be validated by the Father their. These immutable facts demonstrate an ignorance of Biblical facts by Wyatt which becomes the best evidence against his claim that he discovered the Ark underneath Mt. Moriah.
The best evidence for the location of the Ark places it in Ireland but that is another subject.
Please feel free to defend Wyatt - I am willing to listen, but remember that unless you got Bible to back your claims you have no claim. How could Wyatt claim the blood of Christ splattered the Ark when the Bible says via the O.T. dress rehearsal symbolism that the High Priest took the blood of the sacrifice from the Altar of Burnt Offering/Calvary and carried it into the Holy Holies ?
These facts evidently disprove Wyatt because his scenario has the blood dripping directly on the Ark hidden beneath the ground.
I don't have time to get into it, but I think the only reason why you have lost respect for Wyatt is because you really don't understand what Wyatt believes on this subject. Have you read all the doctrines in relation to the blood falling on the Mercy Seat? After reading countless Bible studies on this subject, I'm more convinced than ever that the blood falling on the Mercy Seat is in harmony with true Biblical doctrine. To me it is premature to lose respect in a man simply for a difference on doctrinal matters when it comes to archaeology. His discoveries have gained respect around the world from various demoninations that are not SDA.
In answer to your questions regarding the blood, I will email you some links.
quote:
Because that date has been independantly determined via incontrovertible astronomical data fixed by the Great Pyramid on the Giza Plateau.
With the date so determined, a date which is only 7 years apart from the Biblically accepted date - these facts corroborate each other. The only outstanding issue is to compile a Biblical chronology. This chronology has been vigorously debated for centuries. The GP establishes the 15th century to be a fact. It also establishes that every date other than 1453 BC to be incorrect. The strength of 1453 BC is the way the GP determines the date - a method that requires no reliability upon a human being/fallible biased source.
I promised the topic author I would not argue this evidence unless of course he decides to break silence. If you really want to know just email me at: pyramidial@yahoo.com and I will supply you with links that will blow your mind !
I realize that my opponents completely disagree. Please feel free to get your equal time as I will let you have the last word concerning the GP.
By all means, email me the links. I will email you first, and then you can email me back. However, be rest assured that I am not all that motivated to debate a subject with only 7 years difference. Like I stated, we believe there are a few years uncertainty with the 1446 BC dating. You seem to be much more certain in your 1453 than I am in my 1446. Nonetheless, it's good to know that a 1453 BC dating does not negate the chariot wheel discoveries at the bottom of Aqaba across Nuweiba.

~Lysimachus

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Lysimachus
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Posts: 380
Joined: 05-30-2004


Message 33 of 56 (149916)
10-14-2004 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Asgara
10-14-2004 11:57 AM


Asqara,
I realize that defeats were recorded. However, you missed my point as well. My point is you do not see these records as frequently regarding their own civilization as you do in the scriptures regarding the Israelites/Jews. I did not say that ancient civilizations "NEVER" recorded their defeats.

~Lysimachus

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Lysimachus
Member (Idle past 5220 days)
Posts: 380
Joined: 05-30-2004


Message 41 of 56 (149997)
10-14-2004 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Cold Foreign Object
10-14-2004 7:40 PM


Re: Reply to Brian
Just letting you know, I emailed you WT.

~Lysimachus

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Lysimachus
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Message 42 of 56 (149999)
10-14-2004 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Brian
10-14-2004 1:11 PM


quote:
Are you still on heavy duty painkillers?
Try reading the entire discussion it would save you valuable time.
How is the leg BTW?
Brian.
Hey Brian. Actually, no I'm not. My final cast (after the fixator) came off a few weeks ago. I'm back to walking normal again! I have a small limp once in a while (only in the sense that I tend to favor it when I'm not thinking about it), but that is leaving quickly. Once in a while I'll take only one Hydrocrodon at night just to relax my leg, but that should quit anytime now.
Here are a couple pics of me AFTER my cast came off.
Me leaning against my Buick Lasabre:
http://img.photobucket.com/...hotoAlbum/MarcosRedCarEdit.jpg
Me walking!
http://img.photobucket.com/...s/PhotoAlbum/MarcosWalking.jpg
It's good to be walking normal again!

~Lysimachus

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