The Creation/Evolution dividing line

I am a creationist.
If i trace back the elephant to its first split thats fine. and so on.
The problem with the tree is that we don't accept the creatures presented on it. Once an elephant no longer looks like an elephant why should we accept we are dealing with its ancester.
Your saying to us why is this split so beyond evolution but how can we answer if we don't accept the creature is related to the elephant in the first place.
Rob

But I don't accept it is related. we are dealing with fossils here. It is just interpretation what is related to what.
The contention is that they are not related.
Rob

But I don't accept it is related. we are dealing with fossils here. It is just interpretation what is related to what.
The contention is that they are not related.
Rob

Actually I don't accept myself ,yet, random mutation as a factor in speciation. I do ,right now, accept natural selection in a limited way.Anyways I see what you mean.
The proto elephant would be likely the one where difference is clear that creation took place. Where the differences with other animals is clear.This is actually a hard question for me for unlike many creationists I stress that at the fall all creatures changed dramatically. The snake lost its legs but is still the snake KIND. And Turtles would of had no shells and so on.
What a kind is has become fuzzy.And since I see natural selection working I can only restrict it too major changes.
Still though you guys need to have evidence of kind change.Rob

Actually I don't accept myself ,yet, random mutation as a factor in speciation. I do ,right now, accept natural selection in a limited way.Anyways I see what you mean.
The proto elephant would be likely the one where difference is clear that creation took place. Where the differences with other animals is clear.This is actually a hard question for me for unlike many creationists I stress that at the fall all creatures changed dramatically. The snake lost its legs but is still the snake KIND. And Turtles would of had no shells and so on.
What a kind is has become fuzzy.And since I see natural selection working I can only restrict it too major changes.
Still though you guys need to have evidence of kind change.Rob

Mutation must be very restrictive to keep a animal living. Bones and teeth seems minor enough.On the elephants. The new names you brought up I consider to be elephants or rather to be from the proto elephant. By proto I only mean the one that came off the Ark. i'm presuming it looked similiar but I'm not sure.
I' liberal about body change for creatrures.
Rob

You brough up about the whale. Unlike many creationists I believe the whale probably was first on the land and came off the ark.
I welcome fossils to show this.
Also because we have a short time line I believe speciation into the water must of been done in just a few generations or hundred years.
Yet this creature was still similiar in or out of the water.Still a kind.
Yet to go from a mouse to a horse is what will never be demonstrated in the fossil record or have any evidence to back it up.
Rob

Yes as long as it looks like a elephant I accept it could be the same kind.About the land to sea change. If I follow you I don't see any connection between elephants and whales by any line of reasoning.You bring up about the skull of creatures being very similiar in all. well this is the creationist point about a common blueprint from the master. However the different kinds of creatures is more then bone structure.
Rob

I,m a little lazy here but I think i am saying yes I accept the next link back.
I understand where your heading however my only responce will ever be if it looks like a elephant related critter then I accept its connection. When a fossil is brought up that doesn't then the opposite.
Rob

Just because of similiar body parts does not mean ancestry is common.
Prehensile noses I believe were more common in the past in unrelated animals.
Also Toe itself often needs Convergent Evolution to explain common body structures. Especially in dealing with marsupials.
Rob