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Message 317 of 337 (152437)
10-23-2004 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by Amlodhi
09-23-2004 9:40 PM


Re: Evidencing the Royal Family lineage claim: Petrie Proves a Vital Link
Petrie Evidences Jeremiah and Tea Tephi in Egypt
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/gavin.egypt/flinders.htm
The above link provides archaeological evidence supporting the Biblical claim that Jeremiah went to Egypt with daughters of Zedekiah, hence the Irish annals and their citation of a daughter of Pharoah, which is of course a title of a king.
I suggest you cache the link with the name "Jeremiah" to make it easier to read.
Now if the Irish are known to be visually described as "red" just like David in scripture was, then this descendant of his which is claimed in the annals as Pharoah's daughter is certainly not speaking about a dark-skinned North African Hamite, as those features are non existent in the Irish race.
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Message 320 of 337 (152476)
10-24-2004 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 318 by jar
10-23-2004 9:14 PM


Re: Evidencing the Royal Family lineage claim: Petrie Proves a Vital Link
Can you point that one out to us in the scripture?
Sorry I didn't provide the cite initially - I am used to discussing Bible with persons who own a copy and are literate therein.
1Samuel 16:12
The link clearly evidences that Petrie found the place where:
Petrie writes:
On reaching the place I found a wide flat plain bordering on the river, strewn all over with pottery, and with a mound of mud brick building in the midst of it. I asked the name of it and was told Kasr Bint el Yehudi , 'the palace of the Jew's daughter'. This at once brought Tahpanhes to my mind. Can there be any tradition here ? I turned to Jeremiah, and there read how he came, with Johanan, the son of Kareah, and all the officers, and the king's daughters, down toTahpanhes and dwelt there. We can hardly believe that the only place in Egypt where a celebrated daughter of a Jewish king lived, was called in later times 'the palace of the Jew's daughter' by accident
Jeremiah 46:6-9
Even men, and women, and children, and the king's daughters, and every person that Nebuzaradan the captain of the guard had left with Gedaliah the son of Ahikam the son of Shaphan, and Jeremiah the prophet, and Baruch the son of Neriah.
7 So they came into the land of Egypt: for they obeyed not the voice of the LORD: thus came they even to Tahpanhes.
8 Then came the word of the LORD unto Jeremiah in Tahpanhes, saying,
9 Take great stones in thine hand, and hide them in the clay in the brickkiln, which is at the entry of Pharaoh's house in Tahpanhes, in the sight of the men of Judah
Hence, the Irish annals referring to Pharoah's daughter, the place where archaeology and the Bible say Jeremiah and the king's daughters commenced their journey into Spain and Ireland from.
responding to what is contained in link, Jar writes:
There was NO evidence. The closest thing is that he speculated based on what is in the Bible.
But there is NO evidence whatsoever.
It doesn't matter if you assert contrary to the evidence my Bible believing Protestant friend, anyone who is even remotely objective and has the ability to read can see the evidence for themself.

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Message 323 of 337 (152481)
10-24-2004 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 319 by MangyTiger
10-23-2004 11:48 PM


Re: Bump for WILLOWTREE
Do these pictures show a red/scarlet cord ?
The very early ones do - most do not.
Bennett says they disappeared early on as the Red Hand became the eminent emblematic symbol.
Are they photographs or just illustrations ?
Color photos or reproductions including county, country, or clan name.
I will attempt to scan and post them ASAP.
The only reason I have not is because I do not know how to use a scanner without much hassle.
Mangy:
My claims have centered around the Red Hand.
Genesis 38 is the origin.
Ignoring this spectacular evidence of children of Israel in Britain only proves up another claim of scripture - either way the Bible is proven true.

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Message 325 of 337 (152483)
10-24-2004 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 322 by Asgara
10-24-2004 12:20 AM


Re: Evidencing the Royal Family lineage claim: Petrie Proves a Vital Link
You are obviously not stupid.
Many posts back the debate already established that the Irish annals have the persons in question visiting Spain before settling in Ireland.
This latest evidence establishes the fact that Jeremiah was in Egypt with an entourage which included a least one kings daughter.
The annals call this female "Pharoah's daughter", hence Pharoah is a title of a king and these Irish annals are certainly not referring to a dark skinned North African but the daughter of Zedekiah/David whom the scriptures describe as ruddy/red.
Therefore, because the female in question is responsible for perpetuating Irish monarchy the daughter of Pharoah is referring to this daughter of Zedekiah who started their journey into Spain and Ireland from Egypt - just as the Bible says.

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Message 326 of 337 (152484)
10-24-2004 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 324 by jar
10-24-2004 12:30 AM


Re: Evidencing the Royal Family lineage claim: Petrie Proves a Vital Link
Jar writes:
And from that you get that he was red.
WILLOWTREE, you have a vivid imagination. LOL
From Dictionary.com
6 entries found for ruddy.
ruddy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rd)
adj. ruddier, ruddiest
Having a healthy, reddish color.
Once again Jar your ability to declare with certainty scraps of fossils to be whatever but how your intelligence ceases when a Bible is open equates to a suspicious objectivity.
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Message 328 of 337 (152487)
10-24-2004 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 327 by Asgara
10-24-2004 12:37 AM


Re: Evidencing the Royal Family lineage claim: Petrie Proves a Vital Link
Where does archaeology mention Jeremiah in Spain and Ireland?
Under different names, this is what the debate is about.
The Bible frames the picture at the start and at the end so to speak.
In between history reflects the frame using different names and titles.
I do not have the time at the moment to create a master post which summarizes the status of the debate for persons surfing by.
I will though - ASAP.
When this occurrs then let me know what you think.
But until then here is a quick link which reflects my position:
Jeremiah in Ireland
Of course, my main evidence resides with the research of Dr. Scott - yet to be posted.
sincerely,
WT
Edit:
BTW, Jeremiah 1 starts the Biblical claims with God telling him that he will be used to "plant".
We contend he planted a kings daughter in Ireland and that this lineage was David's thus God kept His word to David that a heir of his would reign over His people.
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Message 332 of 337 (152492)
10-24-2004 1:09 AM
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10-24-2004 1:01 AM


Re: Bump for Common Sense - Please use drugs responsibly
A fish somehow came ashore and evolved into a land animal, then the land animal somehow evolved into a bird with wings.....again I stress SOMEHOW....the actual explanation then requires:
Mangy writes:
I want some of whatever they're drinking or smoking...

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Message 336 of 337 (154169)
10-29-2004 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 334 by Amlodhi
10-29-2004 1:54 PM


IOW, you are assuming the atheist trump card position: Assert no evidence at all to exist because there is nothing to gain for your worldview and everything to lose.
"Pharaoh, king over Egypt" should really be read as "Zedekiah".
Nobody claimed this intentionally misquoted nonsense by you.
Every atheist in this one sided debate offered the exact same "refutation" through-out: "What evidence ?" = silent admission to the evidence clearly supporting the claims. These facts once seen are then chosen to not be recognized and instantly treated like they don't exist.
This exposes you to be loyal to your worldview regardless of the evidence which is fine - except for the fact that you claim to be a truth-seeker driven only by facts.
For the record: "Pharoah" in the Irish annals is the title of a king and that persons daughter according to the Bible and archaeology originated out from Egypt. These persons in the Bible and archaeology are Jeremiah and Zedekiah's daughter as the Irish race and their annals are certainly speaking of a fair skinned princess ruddy in description which is the exact description given to David in the Bible.
You perfectly understand all this but refuse to acknowledge it for the reasons stated above. This is not at all complicated unlike obscure fossils and such which your kind have no problem declaring to be transitional = proof of your bias despite the evidence.
The ruddy Irish race descended from ruddy David.
The British Isles fulfill every promise given to 10 tribe Israel, David, and Abraham.
Thomas Paine and Ingersoll the Great Atheist both based their lack of faith on the fact about the British Isles mentioned above. They mistakenly THOUGHT the Jews were promised these promises and mistakenly THOUGHT that all Hebrews were Jews.
The title of this topic and evidence thereof completely exposed the falsehood of those terribly wrong assumptions.

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