Earthquakes And End Time Biblical Prophecy

It seems that complete ignorance is the strange bedfellow of christian fundamentalism. When exactly did the beheadings of christians occur in Indonesia, Thailand, Sri Lanka, India or any other affected country?This really is an example of the ugly fundamentalist. Does anyone remember the fury which was associated with the pictures of the ugly Palestinian hag laughing at the 9/11 event? Surely the rest of the world is entitled to also react in fury at the hateful, spiteful crap being sprouted by fundamentalists such as Tom. BTW, has Tom's view been rejected by other christian fundamentalist on the board or do they simply sit in embarrassed silence?Ot seems that some gods move in mysterious ways.

Trixie, I've already agreed were to love our neighbor as Christ would of loved, in my response to jar. I've noticed you disregarded the prophecy the Lord would judge the heathen and in respect to the dead bodies.I come from the belief that God could of prevented this earthquake, yet did he not allow it to happen. You do have all those dead bodies. What is your reason as of to why God allowed this to happen? You do believe he did allow this to happen? Do you believe the book of revelation in the New Testament has any merit?

So if he's after the muslim heathens then why was Sri Lanka hit? According to The CIA World Fact Book Sri Lanka is 70% Buddhist and only 7% Muslim (1999 numbers). Thailand is 95% Buddhist with only 3.8% Muslim. India is 81% Hindu and only 12% Muslim, why was it hit?Its seems god's targetting isn't as specific as you claim, though maybe he just likes genocide.And what about the tourists that were killed? Were they all muslim heathens as well?

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wj, buzsaw tried to warn him, but no heed was taken. I don't include buzsaw in any of my cricicisms. They are reserved specifically for Tom and Umliak, but mainly Tom. I, too, wondered at why more Christians haven't commented. I don't criticise them for saying nothing, but personally I felt that I couldn't sit back and watch what my Church considers to be blasphemy, i.e., the misrepresentation of my God in a way that makes Him look small and spiteful. My God isn't like that, neither does my God slaughter His children. Why else do Christians think that Jesus came? I would like to see more comment from some of the fundamentalists on the board, but I can understand them keeping their heads down.

I agree Trixie. I may be wrong, but I think there's something about buz's view that's more benign. Although he does subscribe to this nonsense about prophecy, I get the sense that he sees this more as an escalation of random natural disasters than as an example of God's wrath against a specific "heathen" people.EDITED to correct a misworded phrase. The original wording ran "a random escalation of natural disasters".This message has been edited by berberry, 01-01-2005 16:34 AM

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Our difference is not in whether Jesus said to love your neighbour, but lies in who we consider to be our neighbour. According to Jesus it is everyone, regardless of race or creed. According to me my neighbour is everyone regardless of race or creed because that is what Jesus taught and I try to be a Christian. According to you, it's only fellow Christians.Jesus spent his time with tax collectors and prostitutes. It was shepherds that came to his birth, shepherds who were considered by Jewish society to be blasphemers and sinners because they spent the Sabbath on the hills with their flocks and not in the synagogue. Now, why do you think Our Saviour would be surrounded by people like that?As for Revelations, I can't base my faith on the words of a visionary who may or may not have been in his right mind. I have no way of knowing if he was inspired or delusional and if you're honest, neither do you. However, with the Gospels we have some corroboration between them. We have some huge disparities as well, but the core message shines through them all. If you try to live by the Ten Commandments and the Beatitudes, you can't go far wrong. It's not just a Christian thing. These teachings "feel" right, they are moral teachings, nothing to do with faith. Agnostics and atheists live by the same moral code, Christians don't have a monopoly on it. Now, if there was anythng in there that I felt was morally wrong I would question it, I would have trouble with it.I have great trouble in accepting that God is responsible for what happened. There is a big difference between letting something happen and doing it. God gave man free will to do good or evil. If He was going to stop us from doing evil, He would take away free will and then it wouldn't exactly be hard to be a non-sinner, would it? Yes, God could have prevented this earthquake, but at what cost? My opinion is that the sin was committed in the decision to save money at the expense of the early warning system. As ye sow, so shall ye reap etc. We have to live with the consequences of our actions. If God removed all the consequences, where would we be? Jesus didn't come to save us from consequences. Is this making any sense to you?

Isaiah 24, relative to my op is totally in context to end time prophesy concerning earthquakes and other disasterous judgements which are to happen near and after the much prophesied end time event of Israel being restored as a nation. Read it from beginning to end. It ends with the final event of the age, i.e. 2nd advent of messiah, king of Israel who rules and reigns from Mount Zion, in Jerusalem, in Israel.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 01-01-2005 17:23 AM

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

Trixie, Look at it like this, these pagan nations are praying to Budda, Allah, Hindu enities to protect them. If God caused the earthquake, then whose God to these people. It should be obvious that the God of the bible was more powerful than their heathen beliefs.I suppose its in the devils best interest to make it appear that God had no part in this particular earthquake.

Actually, GOD gave us the technology and knowledge to have avoided the loss of life in much of the area (a few were so close to the epicenter to have gotten much warning). It is mankind, not GOD that caused the loss of life. The Earthquake is but a normal even as was the tsunammi. It's mankind, people like the current US administration that are at fault.And, when the Canary Island Tsunammi happens (and it will) it will be the East Coast of the US where we see the hundreds of thousands of lost lives.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Try this out. It's in the devil's best interest to make his initial input in the decision making process invisible and have God blamed for the whole kit and kaboodle, don't you think? As for "our" God being more powerful than the others - have you thought that they may worphip the same God, but use a different name for him?

Yep, jar, that's my whole point - God gave us the intelligence to invent the technology and put it to good use, yet a few men decided that it cost too much money. God gave us the means to prevent massive loss of life and it was squandered. Where's God in that? Nope, humans have to accept the responsibility. It's too easy to say God did it, it leaves us with the impression that we can do whatever we want and not be held to account. If that was the case there would be no such thing as sin and God wouldn't have any reason to "punish the heathens" as Tom sees it.

But your claim was that ALL earthquakes, no matter what the magnitude, shake the planet in it's orbit, implying that ALL earthquakes in any given location can be detected from ALL locations on the planet. This Indian ocean earthquake actually changed the earth's orbit, I understand, to the extent that it changed the earths clock a few minutes.I think you need to put up or retract that claim. You made the assertion. It's you that needs to back up your claim when that claim is challenged. At least that's what's been required of me here in these threads.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

Trixie, You make sense too me, nothing wrong with loving your neighbor (including the prostitutes, sinners) as Christ would want you to (meaning you don't indulge in their sins). There is nothing wrong with loving the brethren too(including the unlovable).I agree with the freewill that God gives us. I simply disagree that the book of revelations has no merit in the last days, or that John was delusional. I however can respect that you base your faith on the faith of Jesus Christ.

And you understand wrong. True with the exception that there may be some earthquakes so small they are below the thresshold of detection. Absolute balderdash.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Actually it was more like 3 millionths of a second