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crashfrog
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Message 13 of 85 (184740)
02-12-2005 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by boomatt
02-12-2005 2:28 AM


Re: how are you
Just to let you know back in those times they considered fish to be whales and sharks and pretty much all kinds of sealife.
Right, but presumably God knows the difference, and its his book, isn't it?

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crashfrog
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Message 17 of 85 (184862)
02-13-2005 11:11 AM
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02-12-2005 6:21 PM


Perhaps when God inspired people of the accounts of Genesis people were primitive enough not to see a difference between fish and everything else in water.
Ancient peoples were primitive, not retarded. If you or I can understand the difference between a fish and a marine invertebrate without being zoologists, so can a Hebrew goatherd.

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crashfrog
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Message 19 of 85 (184873)
02-13-2005 11:44 AM
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02-13-2005 11:31 AM


Perhaps, but again you are trying to use YOUR understanding of the matter and try to apply that to ancient people.
Ancient people who were not retards. Honestly how long do you think it would take to explain to someone that not everything that lives in the sea was a fish? Especially if you're God?
"Hey, Lebish, been meaning to tell you something. Not everything that lives in the sea is a "fish". That word pretty much just means those fleshy creatures with the white meat and the bones in 'em."
"Whatever you say, God."
In the Vietnamese language, there is only 1 word for "green" and "blue". Wait a second, were the Vietnamese in ancient times all colorblind?
Well, we don't have a word for the color of oranges, we have to refer to the fruit to describe it.
Were they all retarded enough to not notice the difference between something that is green and something that is blue?
What is the difference, exactly? Is it possible that people in English-speaking cultures are percieving a difference that isn't necessarily there simply because we have words for the difference?
You don't have to have a concept of the wavelength of light to understand that not everything in the sea is built the same way, and that fish are built differently than things that are not fish. You might quibble with the definition of the word "fish", at that point; but if you're speaking to the God of the Universe don't you think you'd take his word on what words mean?

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crashfrog
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Message 21 of 85 (184892)
02-13-2005 1:39 PM
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02-13-2005 11:48 AM


You haven't really addressed my point.

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crashfrog
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Message 23 of 85 (184906)
02-13-2005 2:33 PM
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02-13-2005 2:24 PM


I am stating that it might have been the case that to the people back then it wasn't important to distinguish between different creatures of the sea and that they were all "fish"- sea dwelling creatures.
But God would have known that it was important, since he did create them in different kinds and all. So don't you think he would have insisted on the right nomenclature? And don't you think his people would have taken his word for it?
I seem to recall stating before that a loving God would have not spoon feed every single detail of the natural world to his children.
And I agree, of course. But that's not the kind of God that would expect Genesis to be taken as a literal science textbook.

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crashfrog
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Message 26 of 85 (184973)
02-13-2005 7:58 PM
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02-13-2005 5:51 PM


Depends on what you mean by the right nomenclature... whatever that word means.
Without consulting a dictionary for the precise definition, it means something like "words chosen to reflect organization into categories."
The problem here is we are second guessing what God ought to have done.
Given a proposed nature of God, we can see if that god's actions reflect that nature. And we're able to determine if actions reflect a certain nature in God because we're able to do it for humans, and humans are made in God's image.
I don't accept that God can have the X nature and then do things that are contrary to that nature.
Well, you've taken the YEC crackpots' words too seriously.
Well, hell, I hope you're not taking me seriously. I don't really believe any of this. But if we assume that God is the literal author of an inerrant Genesis, that each word in Genesis is there because he said so (which I presumed we were doing for purposes of argument), that has certain consequences.

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