Noah's Ark

Do you believe that we are a human race, that we all are represented by one common factor, being human? That everything we do against God's will upsets what he had planned for us? It also upsets humans that follow in our footsteps, and other humans as far as the other side of the planet?If you kind of understand these things, then it is a evidence of how original sin works, and still is today, as we continue to sin.It took me awhile before I understood the dynamic of it, or believed it.

Yes, that's why I stopped making jokes here. I just figured that no one really likes to joke around. I mean the conversations are all serious, what’s the big deal if you throw a joke in or 2? I guess it wastes valuable forum space

It's better than blowing your cool and getting suspended. And a little camaraderie doesn't hurt, either.
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Not that you asked me, or that it's on topic, but: Yes. No. Yes.

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People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.

yes. yes. you assert that we can actually upset god's will? blasphemy! only within god's will. only within god's will. no, it is not. all humans have the capacity to be perfect within the eyes of god. if this were not true, christ's humanity would have made him imperfect. most if not all fall short. god also forgives and allows one to attone for his errors. this allows the bible to report that several men were perfect in the eyes of the lord. such as, on topic, noah. also, david, enoch, and job.we have a tendancy to sin, but we do not have to pay the price for another's sin (namely adam). god is a fair god, and even at his most unfair, he only says he will punish the son for their father's transgressions to the fourth generation.

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אָרַח

I don't think that Noah, and David, and Enoch were sin free. They were the only ones righteous enough to have favor with the Lord.When children are born, you don't have to teach them how to be selfish, stick their tiny fingers in a socket, even when you tell them NO, how to dis-obey their parents, hit other kids, etc. It all comes naturally to them. Because they are born with it already in them.

no, in fact, david was not. but he's still called perfect even after bathsheba. god is a loving god, and forgives his children. but that's not the same as being held accountable for someone else's sin.

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אָרַח

I never looked at it that way, or really thought that we were accountable for other peoples sins, but we do suffer from other peoples sins, and should forgive them for it.

This thread is about Noah's Ark!

Even though the thread is about Noah's Ark it is important to note that sin is actually something physical. Sin is the transgression of the law in a VERB context, but in the NOUN context it can be seen as the state of diconnection with GOd. At the point where Jesus had to go thru everything alone he had the sin of the world placed on him. And because God is a consuming fire, if you are sinful and you are in teh presence of God you will be consumed. The reason why this doesn't happen nowadays is because of his grace & mercy.

Welcome Sono,While it may be important for you to discuss the issue of sin this is not the thread for that. This thread is specifically about Noah's Ark. It is in the Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy forum in the Science section of this board. This is an evidence driven section. Your discussion on sin is better suited to our Social and Religious Issues section. That section is for faith based arguments.Once again, welcome to EvC. I hope you find your stay here profitable. Feel free to look around and post but remember that we try to keep a tight reign on our topics. In my signature box are links that most newbies find helpful to know, especially our Forum Guidelines.

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Or is it illusion, Raimundo (Do you know what I'm talking about, fellow new Castle, Delawarean?)----------------------------------------------------------------------And yet aother thing..."That everything we do against God's will upsets what he had planned for us?"
"you assert that we can actually upset god's will? blasphemy!"
Actually, I want to be the first to stone him. Blasphemer!!! Blasphemy!!!For the blasphemer: Raed Tihs...if yuo cnat raed tihs yuo nede glasess. Chirst deid fro us. Do yuo konw waht tihs deos fro hsi paln of slvaiaton? It mekas hsi hloy sirpit oru cosntant giude. Threfero we bemoce hsi cihlredn, nad mya be rencoilced at ayn tmie atfre we flal! Gte it? Hpoe yuo gto it.This message has been edited by Specter, 05/31/2005 02:09 PM

Specter and sono,I take it that you two are acquainted. Please take the inside jokes and/or antagonism to private correspondence and leave this thread for serious discussion.

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Wait a minute, Asgara. Why are you continually following me? And how can I fall into "your good graces" when I am unaccquainted with your way of editing? Besides, I have done no wrong, and I promised I will not change or misconstrue the topic any longer. What more do you need?

Asgara, I thank you for propositions of peace between us. I know that this may be hard, but with your help I will have a better chance to get some RESPECT in this forum.

Excuse me, Sono, State General, who made you the leader of a feud? Feudalism ended 450 years ago. Why bring it back now. Have fun playing with your words. Love to see you in amercianforum!