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crashfrog
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Message 3 of 81 (228268)
07-31-2005 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminJar
07-31-2005 10:46 PM


Re: rigor in the Faith forums
However, in the faith forums someone should be free to simply say, "I don't believe that because it goes against my Faith" and have that accepted as sufficient answer.
It's my understanding that that's an acceptable answer in the science forums, too - we talk about science here, we don't do science. How could we?
I'm not comfortable with the idea of differing standards of evidence for different forums. Trying to support a scientific proposition with assertions from religion is a no-no no matter where you are, and it's entirely possible to make science assertions in the religious forums and vice-versa.
Otherwise what I see happening is that the creationists can simply retreat to the religion forums and take potshots at evolution from there, beyond the reach of scientific rebuttals. And don't for a minute pretend that creationists won't walk all over you if you give them half a chance.
At any rate, I always thought it was a science forum, right?

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crashfrog
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Message 13 of 81 (228348)
08-01-2005 7:19 AM
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08-01-2005 12:02 AM


Re: rigor in the Faith forums
What I don't think is reasonable would be to suspend someone in the Faith forums who simply will not accept evidence based on their belief system.
I'm not suggesting you should. I have no objection - its not possible to object - to someone who concedes that all the scietific evidence points to a proposition that they simply cannot accept for religious reasons. How can I argue with that? There's no law that says people have to be reasonable.
But the Faith forums are not faith-based; they're about faith. The rules are the same, as far as I know. I never heard of this idea that some forums had different evidentiary standards before Faith (the poster) showed up, and I rather suspect its all her idea.

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crashfrog
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Message 15 of 81 (228350)
08-01-2005 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Faith
08-01-2005 4:51 AM


The idea was that scientific challenges would not be prohibited there, but that answers would not require the meeting of scientific criteria as the science forums do, could even be answered with a flat statement of belief, as Jar puts it, or no answer at all, with impunity.
Oh, well then. Hey, here's an idea - why don't we have a forum where we can spout off literally any nonsense whatsoever, and if someone tries to call it nonsense, we can ban 'em for hurting our feelings?
This is why creationism will never be taken seriously, Faith. If it can't stand up to the cruel and pointed inquiry that every other scientific theory must withstand, if the only way it can be advanced is alongside a stacked deck of rules that say we can't criticize it, no one with any sense will ever take it, or you, seriously.
It's like you're showing up for the World Series and demanding that you be allowed to enter, only your side gets to play Tee-ball and the other side doesn't get to have shoes.
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I don't see that mainstream science is under any obligation to tie one hand behind its back so that creationists aren't made to feel like idiots.

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crashfrog
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Message 18 of 81 (228355)
08-01-2005 7:33 AM
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08-01-2005 7:30 AM


I don't agree that the science standards here are truly rigorous or even rational, as a matter of fact, or at least they aren't consistently so.
Every single person here who is employed in, or otherwise connected with, one or more fields in the sciences absolutely disagrees with you.
The only people that do agree with you are your fellow Christian jihadists who have no science experience whatsoever.
Why do you suppose that is the case?

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