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Monk Member (Idle past 3954 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
Because the list is several years old. Well that's what I'm asking. How do you know? Link?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
If they scoured their membership list for scientists and then used their names without permission to further their cause, that's wrong. But I get the impression Davidson was interested in more than a few CD's when he joined. i'm not sure. wanna email him?
quote: i love the internet sometimes. i've removed the phone number, of course, so that we don't get a lot of people bothering him during office hours. This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 08-27-2005 12:32 AM
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Well that's what I'm asking. How do you know? Link? because I saw it several years ago. I don't expect you to take my word for it. I expect YOU to go find out if you are really that concerned. perhaps you could e-mail DI and ask when he joined? I also know that the list is continually misrepresented as supporting ID -- do you agree that it doesn't? we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
It would be interesting to e-mail each one on the list and get an update ...
... and see if they want to endorse my pro-ID statement ... we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Because the list is several years old. the list i found was updated july 2005, and he's still on it. just for fun, here's the join page: http://www.discovery.org/membershipReg/
quote: it certainly is an EXPENSIVE non-profit organization. maybe all of that money goes to their "non-partisan" lobbying efforts...
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
It would be interesting to e-mail each one on the list and get an update ... ... and see if they want to endorse my pro-ID statement ... wanna make a project of this? we could probably turn up the emails of each and every one of these people. faculty directories are suprisingly handy. i mean, we know where people like behe and dembsky stand, but it's be interesting to see how many of the less-well-known people don't actually agree totally.
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Monk Member (Idle past 3954 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
Damn, too slow. I found the list also that had Davidson on it. And no, I generally don't take anyones word for it without some evidence, that's the creo method isn't it?
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Monk Member (Idle past 3954 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
wanna make a project of this? Sounds interesting, might even get some media attention with the results.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
the list i found was updated july 2005 how do you know anyone was added? on the steve list you can see the dates behind the names. (591 as of 8/26/05) and compare the DI statement to the one for the Steve List:
Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate scientific debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism of evolution. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to "intelligent design," to be introduced into the science curricula of the public schools. No quibbling there. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Agreed. The problem as I see it is that no-one I know of kept a record of the DI list when it first appeared for comparison (and to log the date). To begin with it is a logical fallacy that it really means anything: the statement does not endorse ID, just being skeptical, and it is an argument from authority and thus invalid logically. The opinions of 1,000,000 scientists are irrelevant in the face of evidence.
It is easy to {save} a new version and {update} the list periodically to make it appear {new\improve\supersized}, so this {updated} means little without supporting evidence of new additions. but I also would suggest that if Davidson's name is still on it that they don't have a replacement since he "resigned" ... just a thought. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
how do you know anyone was added? *shrug* i dunno. it's not a very good list. i didn't make it.
on the steve list you can see the dates behind the names. (591 as of 8/26/05) and compare the DI statement to the one for the Steve List: yeah. lot less quibbling matterial. but then, the other list is all about quibbling, isn't it? it's arguing the acceptance of something almost no one is seriously debating in the scientific community. and they need as many members as possible, so the statements have to be as vague as possible -- meaning some people might have signed when it doesn't reflect their beliefs. such as davidson.
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Monk Member (Idle past 3954 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
yeah, it would be an interesting thing to do.
i'm sure it'd probably make potm over at t.o. if someone were to cross-post it. edit: actually, my little brother is looking for a science fair project... maybe i'll suggest it to him. having a kid ask the questions might be more effective. This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 08-26-2005 09:50 PM
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
wanna make a project of this? just what I need, another project ... know any good sources of cardboard? http://EvC Forum: Freewayblogger.com we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
just what I need, another project yeah, but this one would involve a lot less paper and magic markers.
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