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Author Topic:   The state of ID/YECism here at EvC
Mammuthus
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Message 6 of 62 (271276)
12-21-2005 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jazzns
12-20-2005 10:48 AM


It is an uneven debate.
Creationism and ID do not progress. The same arguements are re-iterated over and over with no progress. It's persistence is the result of the near bottomless pit of scientifically ignorant people that adhere to mythology, misconceptions or the outright lies of creationist organizations.
Evolutionary biology on the other hand results in novel published and peer reviewed work every single week...so while there is always more to talk about with regard to the science of evolution...there won't be anything really new to talk about with creationism or ID.

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Mammuthus
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Message 7 of 62 (271280)
12-21-2005 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Silent H
12-21-2005 5:25 AM


This issue will make its way back into the courts again. It seems to happen every 15 to 20 years or so. Next time it will be the special design movement or some other misnamed creationist organization.
By the way, just got back from a 1 day Amsterdam trip yesterday..collected a ton of north sea mammoth bones...walked around the city a bit from the train station before heading off to Schiphol...maybe I walked past you I was the guy hunched over with a backback full of mammoth molars and muskox femurs.

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Mammuthus
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Message 11 of 62 (271295)
12-21-2005 9:34 AM
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12-21-2005 8:54 AM


Evos debate other evos all the time...but in the scientific literature, scientific conferences, lab meetings and in labs every day..places where creationists are either not qualified or do not bother to go.
As to a unified front, there have been arguments in the past among evos on evolution issues...(check any thread on biological basis of race for example). But on the main details of evolution, evos do agree...the concept that there are major disagreements about evolution within the scientific community is one of the old misconception/lies of creationists that I was referring to...the things evos do argue about are way over the head of 99.99% of the creationists I have encountered.

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Mammuthus
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Message 22 of 62 (271622)
12-22-2005 5:42 AM
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12-21-2005 9:46 AM


There were times where their was basically a land bridge in the north sea like Beringia..it was populated by mammoths, woolly rhinos and the rest of the Pleistocene megafauna you would find buried in other places. Fishermen find lots of fossil mammoths between Alaska and Russia where the Bering land bridge used to be as well.
I did walk around the RLD for a while..I did not hear a scream but there was construction around one of the bridges which was really loud...when I got home I had a huge welt on my arm from the strap of my backpack caused by the weight of the fossils...some of the other visitors of the RLD probably had other kinds of marks or welts from their visit

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