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dattaswami 
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Message 34 of 120 (283827)
02-04-2006 6:27 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by AdminPhat
02-04-2006 3:29 AM


Re: Slow down...
AdminPhat;
I do not belong to any particular religion. I belong equally to all religions. Infact I am not religious but spiritual.
Religion is like a medium of instruction and spirituality is the curriculum. One can get doctorate degree through any medium and a doctorate will be respected by all over the world equally. Thus we should pursue to reach higher levels in spirituality in our own religion. Nobody need not change his religion. Change of religion is moving horizontally and moving to higher classes in spiritual curriculum is moving vertically, which is only called growth. Spirituality is beyond religion. Infact any true divine preacher never confined to any one particular religion, caste, creed etc, because all require God.

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Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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dattaswami 
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Message 35 of 120 (283828)
02-04-2006 6:32 AM
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02-04-2006 3:29 AM


Re: Slow down...
H. H. Shri Datta Swami is a complete incarnation of the Lord (Pari Purna Avatara). He has come to this world to preach Divine Knowledge to mankind. In the past incarnations of the Lord, this wonderful Divine Knowledge was not revealed to its fullest extent. Today, more than ever, there is a real need for this wonderful Divine Knowledge. The situation is rather peculiar. People are not ignorant about the true knowledge. They are highly intelligent. Their minds have been sharpened by the advancement in science and technology. They know the truth but they do not like it. They want to reach the true goal by the false and convenient path. For this purpose they have twisted the meaning of the scriptures. Humanity stands divided by a number of religions and religious sects. Therefore there is a dire need at present, for Lord Datta Himself to come down and reveal the true knowledge to the wonderful people. He has come in the form of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami to give this Divine and special knowledge to us.

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Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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dattaswami 
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Message 38 of 120 (283851)
02-04-2006 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by purpledawn
02-04-2006 8:37 AM


Re: God Is Not Impartial
purpledawn;
I will site for you one discourse from His Holinesss Sri Datta Swami, on the topic of concept of Human incarnation, in various religions.
We believe in God coming in every human generation for preaching the true divine knowledge. If He is coming only once then He will become partial, but God is impartial, all the scriptures of the world came from one God only. The difference in sctriptures is due to the misinterpretaion or due to inclusion or deletion by any vested interest, that is God is coming in every human generation to give the correct interpretation of the scriptures to show their unity.
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The spiritual knowledge should come directly from the Lord. If He sends His messenger, the messenger is not capable of delivering all the points as told by the Lord and is also incapable of explaining in excellent manner as explained by the Lord. Therefore, the knowledge delivered by the messenger is not as excellent as delivered by the Lord directly. This is the main reason for the Lord to enter the human body to preach the divine knowledge. But if the Lord in human body declares that He is the Lord directly speaking, people become jealous because they think the human incarnation as human being only, since they always see the external body only. They misunderstand that the human being is claiming himself as God.
They cannot tolerate this due to their inherent jealousy and egoism towards the co-human beings. To solve this problem of majority of the people, the human incarnation has to say that He is only the messenger of God. Prophet Mohammad was really the human incarnation. But he never claimed himself as God due to this problem of majority. He said that He was only the messenger of God and that Q'ran was massage of God. Therefore, this Holy Scripture belongs to the angle of majority. The devotees who can realise the human incarnation are always very few only. To this minority the prophet can personally say that he is God or at least he is son of God. The message to minority need not be recorded, which can be orally delivered in person. Thus, Q'ran is a scripture for the majority. On the other hand Gita was the scripture of extreme minority, since Gita was told to Arjuna only.
In Gita, Krishna told that He is the Lord. Here you must realize that the Lord is speaking through the human body of Krishna. In between the Q'ran and Gita lies Bible. Jesus told that He is the messenger of the God, which is the message for the majority. He also told that He is God, which is the message for extreme minority. In between lies the minority for which He said that He is Son of God. Thus, Bible is the message covering all the three phases of public, which are majority, minority and extreme minority. As we pass from one end to the other end in the above order, the egoism and jealousy reduce from 100 to 50 to 0.
For majority dualism (Dvaita), for minority (Visista Advaita) and for extreme minority monism (Advaita) are preached by the human incarnation. Thus, in Christianity and Hinduism you can find all the three concepts. But in Islam you can find only Dvaita. You should not mistake that Islam is incomplete due to absence of the other two concepts. The merit in Islam is that no human being can claim himself as God and thus there is no danger of false human incarnation. But in Hinduism and Christianity there is always danger of fraud human incarnations. Again you should not criticize Hinduism and Christianity due to this danger. Assuming the possibility of danger of accident, will you avoid journey by bus or train or aeroplane? Thus, the positive and negative angles must be understood according to the context. However, in Christianity also, the danger is avoided because the Christians do not accept any other human incarnation as God except Jesus. Hinduism accepts every human incarnation as God. Thus, you can pass from Islam to Christianity to Hinduism.
There is no danger in Islam and Christianity. In Islam no human incarnation is accepted. This is extremity to avoid the danger. In Christianity Jesus was accepted as human incarnation but no other human incarnation was accepted to avoid the danger of exploitation of fraud human incarnations. Thus, in Islam the concept was not admitted. In Christianity the concept was admitted but was limited to Jesus only to avoid the danger. In Christianity the statement “Jesus will come again” completes the concept because it indicates that the human incarnation is again possible. Thus, the concept is completed in Bible. But by believing that Jesus comes only at the end of this creation, all the other human incarnations till the end are rejected.
Thus, the concept is completed in theory but not completed in practical. In Hinduism the concept is completed in theory as well as in practical. Gita says that Krishna will come again and again whenever it is necessary (Yadayadahi..). This means that the human incarnation will come again and again in several places and in several religions in even one human generation, because there is necessity for such facility. Thus, in Hinduism the concept is completed in theory and practical, but the danger is always full.
Thus, Hinduism recognises several human incarnations of Lord Datta (Krishna) as in the case of Sri Pada Vallabha, Sri Narasimha Saraswati, Sri Akkalkota Maharaj, Sri Sai Baba, etc. Hinduism recognises Buddha also as the human incarnation. Broad minded Hinduism recognises even Jesus, Mohammad, Mahaveer etc., also as human incarnations born in different religions. The universal spirituality is such broad minded Hinduism which is the broad minded Christianity, the broad minded Islam, the broad minded Buddhism and broad minded science. The Universal Spirituality contradicts and is prepared to argue with all religions limited with conservatism, provided these religions are prepared to accept the truth with open mind. The science with conservatism is atheism. When you realize all the three religions, namely Hinduism, Christianity and Islam, you will achieve the total concept, which is the universal spirituality. All the religions are different angles of the same central concept. You must observe the centre through all the angles from all the sides. Then only you can realise the total comprehensive central concept. Now you must see through the angles of Buddhism and science also.
Buddhism speaks about the God present in the human incarnation by keeping silent about God. Silence means that God is beyond words and imagination. It does not indicate the absence of God. Buddhism is misunderstood as atheism. The time wheel (Kala Chakra) and the revolving bright wheel (Sudarsana Chakra) indicate that the time is constantly moving and that you will meet the death certainly one day or other. It indicates that you should hurry in detaching yourself from the world and that you should attach to the Lord as early possible.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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dattaswami 
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Message 39 of 120 (283852)
02-04-2006 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Funkaloyd
02-04-2006 8:50 AM


Re: Slow down...
Funkaloyd;
I am a disciple of His Holiness Sri Datta Swami.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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dattaswami 
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Message 41 of 120 (283861)
02-04-2006 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Phat
02-04-2006 10:24 AM


Re: Winding Down
Phat;
I am a christain and born and brought up with christian belief, and from child hood onwards i used to go to church regularly. When i grew up i was attracted to retreats by christian fathers where bible was explained along with testimonies etc. But i never felt satisfied because no body there could give a satisfactory answer to many of my enquires, and i felt that poeple are believing out of emotion only, not by proper logic analysis.
Fortuntely, about 2 years ago i met my Satguru His Holiness Sri Datta Swami. I continously went through His discourse in many topic and discussed with Him, and He gave me logical convincing answers to all my queries, and if one analyse with ones own brain, then we will under stand the truth behind His preachings. He stresses more on the practical aspects of spirituality, like participating in the mission of divine knowledge propagation. I believe Him as the incarnation of God come to preach the true divine knowledge to all the people in this world.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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dattaswami 
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Message 43 of 120 (283864)
02-04-2006 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by nwr
02-04-2006 11:01 AM


Re: A discussion has broken out
nwr;
When Lord comes in Human form His main concentration in the preaching will be where people are lacking the knowledge. If one is strong in Mathematics, what is the use of teaching him mathematics? Teach the subject where he is weak. So far mostly people never identified the Lord (Ofcourse other than a handful) when He came in human form like Jesus, Krishna, Mohammed, Buddha... The reason being not aware of the knowledge required for identifying Him in addition to Jealousy & Ego. After identifying, next step is to please the Lord (because if I see president of my country will I get any benefit from him other than momentary happiness?)
Now Shri Datta swami gave many discourses in this direction to give complete knowledge. For the first time, He included science also into religions and explaining divine knowledge scientifically to bring atheists also into the main stream of believers of Lord.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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dattaswami 
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Message 45 of 120 (283866)
02-04-2006 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Phat
02-04-2006 11:08 AM


Re: Winding Down
Phat;
Since you have asked the question regarding money i have to reply by what Sri Datta Swami told regarding that.
Emphasis Of Karma Phala Tyaga
The word karma in the case of a human being means the work done to earn money, which is essential for his food and offering the food to the guest. Money required for the self and his family is called ”sareera yatra’ in Gita. Money required to prepare food to offer to the guest is called ”yajna karma’. The word karma in Gita was used in these two meanings in the context of a human being (sareera yatra pichate, yajnah karma samudbhavah). Therefore the fruit of the work means only money.
The first mantra of the first Upanishad speaks about enjoyment and sacrifice of money (kasyasvit dhanam). The mantra says that the entire creation is the wealth of the Lord and one should store the money for his minimum enjoyment and the rest should be sacrificed to the Lord who comes in the human form for His mission to uplift this world. The second mantra says that one should continuously work and earn. Vasista said that money is the root of all this worldly family bonds (Dhanamulamidam jagat). When money is absent all the family members will leave you. All the family members and relatives approach you only due to money just like the frogs are present in the tank when it is full of water.
The ”Srichakram’ means the wheel that surrounds the money. Therefore when the sacrifice of money comes into the picture, all the fraud devotees will run away because in their hearts the attraction to the family bonds exists as solidified darkness. Only the true devotees will stand, in whose hearts the darkness is removed and the light of divine knowledge exists. The Lord came in human form and tested ”Saktuprasta’ in the sacrifice of the food, which is another form of money. In draught he could secure a little flour and he was fasting for the past ten days. He was not tested in any other way of words and mind (japa, parayana, dhyana etc.). A real devotee will stand in this root test and this is the real fire test.
If the bond with the money is cut, all the worldly bonds are cut, since money is the root of this whole ”samsara’. The fraud devotees want to escape this test and therefore interpreted the ”karmaphala’ as the fruit of prayers, japa, parayana, dhyana etc. The eyes in this world not at all see such fruit. Therefore such fruit of work done by words and mind is unreal. There is no difficulty to sacrifice such unreal fruit. Therefore they misinterpreted the ”karmaphalatyaga’ as leaving a spoon of water in the plate after doing such work by words and mind. Some people have fooled the ignorant people by doing such works and get the ”Gurudakshina’. They are selling the unreal fruit for the real money, by promising that the fruits of their sins will be removed and results of good deeds, which were not done, will be attained.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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dattaswami 
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Message 46 of 120 (283868)
02-04-2006 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Phat
02-04-2006 11:08 AM


Re: Winding Down
Phat;
Salvation means breaking all wordly bonds and having only one bond with GOD. All our family memebers love us because they getting enjoyment from us. Mostly we also love in that angle. These wordly relationships are temporary only and it will not last. In fact these wordly bonds are preventing us from having bond with the lord which is the real one. Lord comes in human form in every human generation. One can recognise Him by His special divine knowledge that no other human being can preach.
Money is the root cause of all the wordly bonds, when bond with the money is cut, all other wordly bonds are cut. God is always satisfied with His eternal postion. He do not want any money. It is for our sake only, one has to pacticipate in His mission of divine knowledge propagtion. When we give money to any body, then we will analyse whether the receiver is eligible or is He the lord in human form etc. Thus only true devotees can stand infront of such a test. All other fraud devotees will run away.
When human icarnation comes He never forces anybody to become His disciple etc. He never ask you to follow Him blindly. He give true divine knowledge and one can analyse His preachings with his brain, and can conclude whether His preachings are correct or not. There is no forcing in spirituality. One should not even change his religion.
God comes in the form of human being He shows all the signs of a humanbody like, sleep, tiredness, appetite etc. This it self will repell most of the people, they will think how the all powerfull ominipresent God can beome such a human being. One should note that God is not modified into the human body. He is above the human body.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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dattaswami 
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Message 48 of 120 (283873)
02-04-2006 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Phat
02-04-2006 11:26 AM


Re: Winding Down
Phat;
You just analyse with your brain, if you are continously troubling your familiy members what will be their reaction. One day or the other they will start hating you. This means that these wordly bonds and the love are not true one, actully these wordly bonds prevent us from having the bond with our heavely father. Mostly our love to God is not true one. We love Him for our selfish sake only, like getting some favour etc. This is not the true love. True love means love without any expectation.
We are sole property of God only, and such a God comes in every human generation to give His existence. All these wordly bonds will vanish one day or the other, we have to drop all these bonds. Actually all these bonds are binding us. Unless we make a sincere effort by serving the lord in human form we will be always locked up in the vicious circle of birth and death, and never will get salvation. Thus it is essential to catch hold of the lord in human form, to first learn the true divine knowledge and after wards do some service with love and without any expectation. But the path is very very tough. Jesus also told the same. Many will try but very few will enter.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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dattaswami 
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Message 50 of 120 (283875)
02-04-2006 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by dattaswami
02-04-2006 11:38 AM


Re: Winding Down
pHAT;
If you analyse Jesus words, "Unless you hate your father, mother, wife etc you cannot become My dearest disciple'. See the attitude of then human incarnation Jesus, how strict He was. When Human incarnation comes He will reveal the truth about the path towards salvation. He will preach the temporary nature of all these wordly bonds. He will preach the importance of strengthening the bond with Him. Beacuse a true relationship with Him only fetch you salvation. But how one can believe a formless God? Such a formless God is not preaching us anything. For this very purpose He comes down in human form and who ever seek Him will approach Him attracted by the Hidden heavely Father in the human body of the human incarnaton.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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dattaswami 
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Message 52 of 120 (283878)
02-04-2006 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Phat
02-04-2006 11:41 AM


Re: Winding Down
Phat;
If you see bible or anyother human incarnaiton, there were only few devotees who recoginsed the Lord in the human body of the human incarnation. Actually there are very few devotees in the innercircle of Sri Dattaswami. As far as i am considered, am only a beginner, but there are two great devotees, one Mr. Phani and other Mr. Ajay. Mr. Phani is a bachelor and he dedicated everything for Swami, what ever he earns through his job he is giving it to Swami for His mission and He is the close associative of swami and always is with Him. Mr. Ajay is married, even though he completely dedicated for swami's work.
These two are the Gems, and they have practically (Not theoretical) sacrificed everything time, work and money(where everybody will fall).

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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dattaswami 
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Message 53 of 120 (283880)
02-04-2006 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Phat
02-04-2006 11:47 AM


Re: Winding Down
Phat;
God exists in two places, one in the heart of a true devotee and in human incarnation. In ture devotee He will exits for some time only, to do some specific work, but in case of human incarnation He exists from top to bottom all the time, i.e., He is the God Himself.
One shouldnot accept a mere humanbeing as God, God may do some wonderful work through him, it doesnot mean that He is God. Only human incarnation is God. Jesus disciples was not God, but Jesus was God. One should identify such humanincarnation of present time.
I do not practice yoga. Meaning of Yoga is the union with God.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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dattaswami 
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Message 55 of 120 (284055)
02-04-2006 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by purpledawn
02-04-2006 1:12 PM


Re: No Substance
I have considered the main Religions present in the world, which are taken as some examples. The concept applies to all the other Religions equally. Even in the other Religions the same concepts are present. I was also mentioning the name of Mahavir Jain in the context of non-violence. I also mentioned the philosophy of Jainism when I was talking about the truth, which is presented in Jainism as seven-fold. To limit the number only I have taken the main Religions. This does not mean that we are neglecting other Religions.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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dattaswami 
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Message 57 of 120 (286111)
02-13-2006 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by purpledawn
02-04-2006 1:12 PM


Re: No Substance
The other religions whether major or minor are in the lines of the Major religions like Hinduism, Bhudhism, Christianity , Islam and Science (Atheism). Science is mentioned as a religion because atheism is mentioned as a religion under the headline ”Nastika matam’. Religion means a line of thinking (Matam). Jainism is almost similar to Bhuddism. Their argument about seven fold existence is discussed separately in different branches of Hinduism. The Persian religion concentrates on the worship of the fire which is similar to the branch of Hinduism called ”Soura Matam’ in which the natural object, sun, is worshiped as God. This concept is discussed in the topic of representative worship (Pratika- Puja).

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Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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dattaswami 
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Message 58 of 120 (286115)
02-13-2006 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by ReverendDG
02-11-2006 1:10 AM


Re: No Substance
ReverendDG;
Our blief is entirely focused on the present human incarnation. We believe that His Holiness Sri Datta Swami as the present human incarnation of God. People created religion and God is only one and He is beyond Religion. He comes in every human generation to preach the souls the true divine knowledge. He is known as human incarnation. When the Original God is present with us what is the need of religions?
At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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