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LudoRephaim
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Message 3 of 134 (331973)
07-15-2006 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nuggin
07-15-2006 12:52 PM


Here we goooooo!!!!!!!
Okay, ill respond.
Nuggin writes:
How do we determine that Homosexuality is "immoral and sickening"
Good question. Ancient Greeks seemed to not have had a problem with homosexuality. It was a major part of their life (though "Bi-sexuality, or however you call or spell it, is better when in terms of the Greeks of olde)But modern times, most would probably see it as sickening, but many would not care if homosexuals married. Just as long as they dont have to see them kiss or have sex on our television. Others (like mua) would see it as immoral, but as you said, based on religious grounds. But some might see natural grounds on it as well. After all, the only animals That (as far as I and many know) that do this kind of sex are Bonobos (or Pygmy Chimps). Plus, unless someone provides evidence to the opposite, it can leads to the , um, dreaded "Gay Bowel Syndrome" (source will be posted shortly)So based on the potential for harm in this kind of sex, one shouldn't do it, let alone marry to make it "okay" and "legit". In that sense (unless someone disproves that Gay Bowel syndrome is the result of , um, anal sex. ShrafnaTOR, i'm looking in thou direction)gay "sex" (Gag)is indeed immoral. Of course, there are certain heterosexual sex acts that can cause injury or sickness (I dont want to be explicit, but it involves a choking response...), but then again, like anal (and therefore gay) sex our bodies where not "evolved/designed" for sex LIKE that.
Now, if Lesbian "sex" (Which is not as sickening, But it is still wrong, in my beliefs and opinion)is considered, much of above also is presented against it, except for GBS. I've heared that syphilis is more common than normal with Lesbian than heterosexual acts, but I have to check a particular source to really present it.
The source on "GBS" will be here shortly. Gotta go

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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LudoRephaim
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Message 5 of 134 (331975)
07-15-2006 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nuggin
07-15-2006 12:52 PM


dah source.
Here is the source about Gay Bowel syndrome. It is not from a Bible webpage, but a Biology one.
Page not found - Biology Articles, Tutorials & Dictionary Online

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LudoRephaim
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Message 26 of 134 (332241)
07-16-2006 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by crashfrog
07-15-2006 1:28 PM


Oh i Hate debates on moral issues. Brings out the worst in homo sapiens sapiens....
First thing's first:
Crashfrog writes:
Actually gay sex in the animal world is well documented in over 1000 speerate species.
Such as....?
Oh and unless the sources you quote are
1. A peer reviewed science journal that is not funded by special interests, is reputable, and not biased towards gay rights, OR
2. A book by a credible scientist or author, and or
3. Makes any mention of (wild, not domesticated) animals doing this not just in captivity but in nature and involves observation of adult mating pairs or adult sex in the in question manner.
Dont waste my time
Crashfrog writes:
Lesbians get "gay Bowel" syndrome?
Obviously you didnt read the whole post, or you nitpicked. I made the reference to gays, as in male gays, not Lesbians. I mentioned Gay women later in the post.
Crashfrog writes:
Should heterosexual activities be banned because they pose these risks?
No, people should just learn how to make love better, not in stupid ways.
But, less I be mistaken, we are not arguing if the "sex: in question should be illegal, but Gay marraige.
Crashfrog writes:
Hah! I thought they where joking, but you proved that it's true! Bigot's really do make an exception for Lesbians. Even gay haters like to watch girls make out.
Hmm, I dont think I wrote that I hated gays, but that usually doesn't stop people from making acusations on here. I stated that Lesbians sex is not as sickening, but I also said it is still very, very wrong. Makes me a, um, bigot, eh? I dont consider stealing a cap as bad as Identity theft, but to me the're both bad. That makes me Bigoted to Theives??
If you want to debate me on this, try to not sling mud. I remember something about that in the forum guidelines (your bigot remark?)Otherwise, you are wasting time that I cannot get back again.

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LudoRephaim
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Message 30 of 134 (332412)
07-17-2006 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by crashfrog
07-16-2006 4:57 PM


Well weel then. Kudos on finding a source that at least seems reputable. Of course i'll have to look this book up, check the sources within it, and make sure it is truly legit. And even youre source says you are wrong on the number. It says over 450 species of mammal, bird, and so on, not "1000".
Now then;
Crashfrog writes:
Supporting the rights of homosexuals isn't the biased position; it's the moral position.
hehe. Based on what?? What is your foundation? What do you based this kind of morality on? Who made you preveror of morality?? Some would say calling people insults and cussing is immoral too.
And this;
crashfrog writes:
Then why didn't you call it "Gay Male Bowel Syndrome"?
Because That is the original term for the disease which as others have shown in the thread, turns out to be a false one.
Crashfrog writes:
Why did you bring up your so-called Gay Bowel Syndrome
Hey, I was trying to use an argument besides the Bible (Nuggin said to bring such an argument in the OP, which you obviously didn't read well ) I did my best at the time. Try to come up with a better argument against homosexual marraige rights. It's what I had at the moment.
Crashfrog writes:
Yes. By Definition your irrational opposition to the consensual sex practices of other adults, even to the point of denying them completely irrevelant constitutional protections, is what makes you a bigot
and by your seemingly calling my distate for the acts and my religious views on homosexual sex/marriage "irrational Opposition" ( Views which are in agreement with Christianity. Romans 1:26-27)and your fondness for insulting and cussing out people who dont agree with YOU, then those particular thingies makes you a foul mouthed Christophobe. But then again it's not like your interested in the forum guidelines on insults and baiting tactics, now are you??
Besides, you seem to have conveniently ignored my comparison to bigotry of robbers.
Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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LudoRephaim
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Message 31 of 134 (332416)
07-17-2006 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Nuggin
07-16-2006 2:35 AM


Re: So many responses so fast...
Hello der Nuggin
Yeah, I could have done better with my argument, but I put the best I had at the time. I had only a few seconds to conjure up one, just to keep things a little interesting. But There where so many on the anti attacking and poking holes in the argument per see that I couldn't respond to them all, even if I wanted to. So much to answer, so little brain juice that could be better served researching things on Animals and such. If it was just me and you and a few others, I might have done better in the replies.
I will Definitely not respond to everyone here. But I really dont know how to create an argument on something in this category and op. If i had more time, I could make it better (i have something that might help a bit)but we will see...

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LudoRephaim
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Message 36 of 134 (332499)
07-17-2006 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by crashfrog
07-17-2006 8:46 AM


Crashfrog writes:
Bad memory
No, I read about the book on the page you posted. It said over 450, not over 1000.
Crashfrog writes:
Morality. What else?
What morality? Yours? To many Christians, Jews and Muslims it is immoral to partake of homosexual acts. Defending them is also immoral. What is your basis for morality?
Crashfrog writes:
That's hardly relevant.
We are talking about moral and immoral when it comes to homosexual marraige. Pretty relevant i'd think. Unless you are dodging my question.
Crashfrog writes:
You misunderstand. it's not your disgust that is irrational.
HUH!? Being disgusted at gay sex and marraige is rational?!! That's going to win yah some browny points in the gay community!
Crashfrog writes:
What is irrational is that you allow that disgust to determine who gets justice and who does not. That, by definition, is bigotry.
Pot callin kettle la black.
person 1; People having sex with critters and marrying them is sickening and immoral. Bestial marraige should be outlawed!
Person 2: BIGOT!!
Person 1; People having sex with underage kids and marrying them is sickening, perverted and immoral. Neither that kind of sex or marraige should be allowed.
person 2: Youre intolerant of Pedophiles! BIGOTRY!!!!BIGOT!!!!!!
Person 1; Polygamy is disgusting and immoral, and should be banned.
Person 2: BIGOT!!
Person 1; People having sex with trees and marrying them is just not right! If they want to have sex, then let 'em. But dont make it to that "they: can get married.
Person 2: TREE BIGOT!!!!!
Check what you are intolerant of before you accuse others of it. After all, that is the definition.
Webster's universal college dictionary, page 76; this is the definition of BIGOT.
"A person who is extremely intolerant of another's creed, belief or opinion."
def of bigotry,
"Extreme intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. 2. The actions, prejudices, etc., of a bigot."
Judging from youre posts, it seems YOU have an "extreme intolerance" for my views and beliefs and opinions on gay marraige. That would make YOU a BIGOT.
So without further interference;
BIGITBIGOTBIGOTBIGOTBIGOTBIGOTBIGOTBIGOTBIGOT!!!!!!!!

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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LudoRephaim
Member (Idle past 5113 days)
Posts: 651
From: Jareth's labyrinth
Joined: 03-12-2006


Message 37 of 134 (332501)
07-17-2006 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by crashfrog
07-17-2006 8:46 AM


Crashfrog writes:
it wasn't relevant.
If i was creamed by a really good argument, i'd say that too

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LudoRephaim
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Message 40 of 134 (332515)
07-17-2006 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Modulous
07-17-2006 10:43 AM


Re: bigotry
Hey mody.
modulous writes:
Using "disgust" to dictate rights is bidoted.
So if I call for outlawing crapping in a public place because it is disgusting, that makes me a bigot?
Modulous writes:
Morality in law should be decided in terms of reason.
But whose reason? To the Soviets it was "reasonable" to throw people that didn;t agree with communism into gulags. It was within their "reason" to decide so. What reason is better than another, and how do you determine that?
Modulous writes:
Beastiality is immoral because it harms animals or they cannot give informed consent. Child abuse is immoral because it harms children.
But what about Polygamy? I know you mentioned it in your post, but remember that They can give informed consent.
Modulous writes:
What is bogoted is denying people rights because they engaged in something that you find digusting.
What rights? all their rights or the right to do what is considered disgusting? And if I try to deny people who like to take a crap on the street the right to take a crap on the street, that makes me a bigot?

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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