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Author Topic:   Absolute Morality...again.
RickJB
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Message 210 of 300 (334385)
07-22-2006 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Faith
07-22-2006 5:45 PM


faith writes:
I've answered this. My personal attitudes are outside the realm of philosophical discourse and none of your business.
No, you haven't answered. Also, since when did you become so coy about your personal attitudes? This forum is stacked full of your attitudes!
faith writes:
I'm not playing this game relativism has you playing.
No Faith, you're just hedging.
faith writes:
I refuse to let you personalize this.
I'm not personalising anything! I simply asked if you can accept the possibility that you (as a fallible human to use your term) might be wrong on the subject of absolute morality.
I, for may part, fully accept that my knowledge has its limits. I also fully accept that it is perfectly possible to be totally wrong about many thngs that I believe to be true.
I ask you again, do you or do you not accept that you may be wrong with regard to absolute morality?
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RickJB
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Message 218 of 300 (334450)
07-23-2006 3:47 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by Faith
07-22-2006 9:23 PM


faith writes:
...where the only point is to make an ad hominem argument out of it against me.
I have made no such attack and you know it.
faith writes:
I have made a decision to ignore all personal questions
No, you have made a decision to avoid answering THIS question.
I have asked no personal questions and you know it, Faith. You are clearly hedging.
I'll ask again. Do you accept (as a fallible human, to use your term) that it is merely possible for you to be misguided about absolute morality?
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RickJB
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Message 219 of 300 (334451)
07-23-2006 3:49 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by Faith
07-23-2006 2:02 AM


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RickJB
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Message 250 of 300 (334726)
07-24-2006 3:30 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by Faith
07-24-2006 2:58 AM


Faith, message 218 awaits your attention.

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RickJB
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Message 252 of 300 (334730)
07-24-2006 4:25 AM
Reply to: Message 251 by Faith
07-24-2006 3:34 AM


faith writes:
...but asking me a personal question about my personal attitude..
Please don't insult both our intelligences. You know the question was not a personal one. Also, you chose to tackle my assumption (being fully aware of its content) and then when you were forced to admit your position you bailed out.
faith writes:
Oh, and if you're honest, you must admit that such a question contains an implicit accusation which requires a personal statement from me either to exonerate myself of your charge or convict myself.
Not necessarily a "personal" statement, but aside from that you are right. It's called socratic enquiry!
Socratic method - Wikipedia
faith writes:
VERY VERY foul play. Nasty business there.
It certainly isn't foul play. You boxed yourself in with your OWN statements. I think you are aware of this.
In any case your failure to answer leads me to draw the conclusion that you do after all hold the view that absolute morality conforms to your worldview.

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RickJB
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Message 254 of 300 (334743)
07-24-2006 5:41 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by Faith
07-24-2006 4:31 AM


faith writes:
Deal with the issues, not the person.
The issue at hand was "do those whole belive in absolute morals assume that it fits their worldview?"
You said I was wrong to make such an assumtion (drawing on your OWN experience) and I, in response, asked some very broad questions. What's the problem?
Face it Faith, you just didn't like where your OWN statements lead you.

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RickJB
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Message 288 of 300 (336903)
07-31-2006 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 285 by Hyroglyphx
07-31-2006 10:59 AM


Re: Lets try this one more time
If morals were truly as arbitrary as people claim, then why aren't they arbitrary?
Because they are broadly directed by our biology and psychology. We are social animals thay rely on a group structures to survive. Killing one of your own group is "wrong" because it does not benefit the group. We also build personal bonds that also help make such behavior emotionally difficult.
Killing a member of a rival group on the other hand is often seen as "right" because it defends your own group. Also, because the member of the rival group is a stranger, his killing carries little emotional weight.
Just turn on the news and you can see this dynamic playing out in the Middle East as we speak.

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RickJB
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Message 291 of 300 (336916)
07-31-2006 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by Hyroglyphx
07-31-2006 12:01 PM


Re: Lets try this one more time
If you agree that there is an innate sense of murder being adherently "wrong," then that is an absolute phenomenon. That isn't relative at all. Therefore, if you use that argument your point will render itself moot.
The term "murder" implies a wrongful killing. But killing itself is not always seen as innately "wrong".
Please read my post up the page at 288.

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