Homosexuality and Natural Selection.

Hello. I am CDarwin. I am new here and I would call myself a defender of Darwin. In the last & years I work in Santa Monica where a number of Christain evangelicals confront people on the street and discredit Evolution.I have done well with the crowd on many nights with this faith based group. But recently I have found that the Non-religious have a difficult time understanding Evolution and the Natural selection process.I come across Gay people that tell me that Evolution invented gay people to cure over population. I tell them this is not how the process of Natural selection works.N.S. ( natural selection) is not intelligent nore knowlegeable of the numbers of any life form on the planet. N.S. is the process of change and non change in a species. Evolution is the result of N.S. and is incapible of thinking out a solution to a given problem like over population.But like the religious people I talk to the Gay community in Santa Monica seem to want to see evolution as a reason they exist.It mat be correct that Homosexuality is genetic but yet unproven.This is a problem I have because if I say it is not I am called Anti -Gay and homophobic which I am not. But how do I get the message that Evolution does not try to reach a Pre-destination? It seems like two very diffrent groups want to see Evolution to fit their own agenda.What can I do?

I really do not see that possibility. The TRAIT would have to passed on in some way. Male baby sitters are not always gay.But My point was that out side of Religious contempt of Evolution there is secular ideas that believe that Evolution can think. This is what I am trying to tell people no matter what their religious or sexual prefrence is.I mean like you say if Evolution were intelligent it would just make non-reproductive humans of either gender. And those do exist but not by design.

If Homosexuality is a mental disorder, is Pedophillia just a prefrence? We Vill-a-fie Child sex advocates for obvious reasons yet that form of sexual activity is more common all over the world than adult homosexuality.It also has the advantage of Reproduction over that of Homosexuality in a FITIST catagory.I have read that Homosexuality is related to hormone levals in the Mother's whom and that after 5 or 6 male children the 7th male child is more likely to be gay.No coralation has been made for gay women in that study.

Yes. I agree. I have come across this problem before in my city at open mike readings that envoke Evolution into their topic. I try to tell them that Natural selection does not have a destination. This concept is hard for even non-reliogious people to understand.I feel the reason is that we are all born into a culture that promotes a creator and that we all have purpose.N.S.and Evolution do not give people that same confidence about people individual lives.

Yes I see your point. But I am asking.. (posting) this observation with the conviction that these people I talked to really believe in the idea THEY were invented. I asked them why they believe this and they gave me the idea that ALL of evolution is PROGRESSIVE, meaning that every generation is an improvment of the previous one.Obviously this is not the case.So that means we are smarter than humans born 20 years ago and we are adapted to our invironment better and that we are better at seeing the problems of the world than our parents. This has led to the beliefe that being GAY has a NOBLE purpose in reducing the over population of humanity.I ask them What about AIDS? Was that invented by evolution to reduce the GAY population in the United States? Where Star Trek fans Invented to reduce human population growth? ( Star Trek fans do not reproduce as fast as foot ball fans)It seems that it will take time and science to learn what GAY sex is or if it has any benifit. Right now I just say to them that we are all the same in nature and that at this time there is no NEW HUMAN speices that has come onto the population to save us from past deeds.

Thank you I will keep trying.

I am sure he meant Human reproduction. We as humans see the would in our context. We have only just begun to notice our biases.

As a Darwinist the last thing I want to be is Christ like.Christ wants to kill most people that do not follow him.
Read the Bible.

I thing the GAY bees are Sterile female bees and they go to flowers to get necter.I have herd of a flower that mimics a female be in some way to attract a bee in order for it( the flower ) to cross polinate.I assume it is attracting a Male drone.

Weaker means weaker. As in NOT FIT. The Fitist is the Heterosexual as this life form is MORE likely to pass on it's genes into the future in the form of offspring.A celibate person ( lifeform ) is also weaker than a sexualy active life form. ( see Star Trek fan boys) A life form that can not have sex is weaker as well.This is just the facts of Natural Selection as I have not had sex in a long time I must conclude I am weaker than my heterosexul and active friends, they are more likely to procreate as I am less just as homosexuals are less likely to unless they donate their genetic material.In the Natural world however this artificial method in not avilible to non-human life forms.Is Homosexuality genetic? If not then we must see it as a form of sexual proclivity that is in the MINORITY. (A sexual retardation) as I have such because I can not attract a mate of the oppisite sex. My case my be more common than many people want to advertise, but that is the situation. I even know many males that are bachlors well into their 70's and have given up on sexual companionship.this type person is less likely to pass on its genes as most homosexuals are. In the rules of Natural selection that would make me and gays Unfit...I.E. Weaker!Get used to it. I have.