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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5781 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
Peppered moths, sigh, no, they don't show evolution. It's quite simple: A- the peppered moths stayed moths, they didn't evolve into flies or butterflies. B- There was no genetic code added to the pepper moths, which evolution would require. C- Macroevolution was NOT observed, the moths didn't evolve any new organs or tissues, all that happened was a color change, a variation within a kind.
"If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5781 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
Curious, why were you suspended?
I don't understand why you haven't learned that evolution is false yet... Guess I'm not trying hard enough... Let's see then.
quote: I know you didn't claim that, if you did, you would be lying and knowing about it too. What I AM saying is that pepper moths do NOT show macroevolution. So what if you showed part of natural selection in action? You failed to show it in action for MACROEVOLUTION. Thus you were only supporting the proof that only microevolution happens and that God made a nice filter process to keep the strong and healthy and adaptive animals reproducing.
quote: Once again, I KNOW that you never claimed this. What I AM saying is that you have failed to show macroevolution, which would require genetic information increases. Which would make your whole pepper moth story irrelevant to the subject- evolution, macroevolution.
quote: I was assuming you were using the pepper moth example as support for evolution, macroevolution. But if you weren't, why else would you have posted it if it was irrelevant to the subject of discussion? If all you did was show microevolution and natural selection working with it, as the way God made it, to have a better world, why would you put it in a forum about Evolution versus Creation and be an evolutionist?
quote: I forgot that. Excuse me then, the moths DIDN'T change colors. (Still clearing some cobwebs from my evolution arguments, been a while since my last debate...)
quote: Actually, reread my essay on evolution there. I did make a few rewordings to make it more proper, just recently.
quote: What problems? Lucy was a chimpanzee, nothing more. No human characteristics to make it a hominid. "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5781 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
Ok, I came here to debate about evolution, and I'm not getting the experience I would like. I started about pepper moths, but the argument turns around to me and my words instead of evolution and it's fallacies. I would like to propose a challenge, for a one on one moderated debate (in the appropriate topic - the Great Debate) with anyone who would like, to show the proof that directly relates to evolution, macroevolution. Step right up to the plate. I want a real debate, where the debate will be directly about the evidence and what it shows in regards to evolution. Who's up for it? Razd, you seem to like attacking me in particular, maybe you would like to accept my challenge? Or maybe someone else? Come on now, let's agree so that we can ask for a debate topic to be opened up for us. Either accept the challenge, or deny it, but don't keep on debating about me and what I say, the topic is evolution vs. Creation, so let's do it how it's supposed to be done... I'm waiting...
By the way, I do not wish to reply to the attacks at me, if someone has something about evolution, evidence, pepper moths, natural selection, etc, then we may debate and discuss. But discussions about me, my words, what you think of them and what you think they are, etc, is not really on topic here. Remember, try to debate about the information and interpreting it, not the people. "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5781 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
I see no one is brave enough to step up to my challenge so far... Just one brave soul to debate with me one on one...
And yes, it is very overwhelming, I feel I am one against a whole army, that's why I want to switch to a Great Debate with someone... Come now, who shall defend their FAITH in evolution? Like I said, I want an accept or deny reply, not more talk about me and my essay and my words to avoid the real matter... I'm still waiting... Now I feel like Goliath when he challenged Israel to send one man to fight him... Who's the David of these forums? "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5781 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
Great!
Yeah, me too, I have a life independent of forums as well, so... Oh, and when my classes start, I may not be able to get to this at all, so have that in mind... First we must agree on a topic for the Great Debate, what shall it be? Proof for evolution? Validity of Evolution? My essay? Something else? "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5781 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
Ok then, I'll notify a mod or administrator that we want to have a Great Debate.
"If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5781 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
Oh... I already sent an email to the Administrator... If it comes, just ignore it then.
Edited by Someone who cares, : No reason given. "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5781 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
I just want to say that I will focus more of my attention and posting to the Great Debate between me and Anglagard, so my posting here may be limited or just non existent. I have classes starting soon, so I want to get the Great Debate going and mostly finished while I have the time.
Remember: God loves you! And He's waiting for you to come to Him, don't hold up, come to your Creator soon! "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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