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Dr Adequate

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Message 24 of 166 (353362)
09-30-2006 10:31 PM

Reply to: Message 16 by Faith
09-30-2006 8:20 PM

You, like so many others here, are simply wrong about what a fact is, what an interpretation is, what logic is, what a fallacy is, what faith is, what science is.

This would be a perfect time for you to define those terms.

Please give definitions for the words:

1. Fact

2. Interpretation

3. Logic

4. Fallacy

5. Faith

6. Science

Thank you.

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Message 30 of 166 (353385)
10-01-2006 1:38 AM

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10-01-2006 1:25 AM

Re: Constructive Discussion Please!

Those who would like to discuss what constitutes valid evidence or the definition of common words should propose threads for those topics, or should clearly indicate how they are relevant to the topic of this thread.

It is relevant because Faith is giving us his/her exposition of "faith science", which is the topic of the thread. Part of this exposition includes telling us that we don't know the meaning of either "faith" or "science". Until these definitions are supplied, how are we to know what Faith is talking about?

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Message 39 of 166 (353489)
10-01-2006 3:59 PM

Reply to: Message 38 by nwr
10-01-2006 3:09 PM

And here's what the Affiliation of Christian Geologists has to say on the subject.

But the question is not whether one can be a Christian and do science; but whether one can be a YEC and do science; to which the answer would seem to be: not at the same time.

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Message 42 of 166 (353536)
10-01-2006 9:41 PM

Reply to: Message 41 by Straggler
10-01-2006 5:57 PM

But so long as he argues that the Bible must be read in the light of science, he may change his views on science in accordance with new evidence; he just has to change his reading of the Bible to conform with that.

Few people can know so well as Glen Morton knows that there is nothing sacrosanct about his own personal "faith position on the Bible".

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Message 121 of 166 (354490)
10-05-2006 3:55 PM

Reply to: Message 118 by Hyroglyphx
10-05-2006 2:20 PM

Its not impossible to overcome but certainly its a problem when preconceptions enter into the mind of the experimentor. But then again, we could look at this from another angle. Any scientific inquiry that is made is first derived from some preconcieved notion that prompts an investigation of evidence. We call this a hypothesis. So, if you think about it, all hypothesis' begin with preconceptions.

You are using the word "preconception" equivocally. It is true that I must think of an idea before I can test it; in that sense it is "preconceived". But there is no need for me to believe that idea; which is the sort of "preconception" which might cloud the mind of an experimenter.

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