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Author Topic:   Heretics - Reverend Carlton Pearson
kuresu
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Message 33 of 50 (366623)
11-28-2006 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Hyroglyphx
11-27-2006 9:05 PM


ummm. . .
If He is all-powerful then He can offer freewill to His creation. How does that make Him culpable? Are your parents at fault when you do wrong because, technically, they made you?
are you suggesting parents are all--powerful? Or all-knowing? or something that they're not? your analogy is useless.
Here's the problem.
God created everything. God is all-knowing (from what I hear). He knows what will happen. If you get hurt, maimed, or killed, God knew this would happen. In our law system, that's implied consent. If you don't stop a murder that you know will help (or at least make some sort of attempt at such), you are also culpable. And it makes sense. (which I can add on to, should someone desire to see the reason)
So if God knew the Rock would fall, and he did nothing to help prevent injury, he is partially culpable.
Or, he is totally culpable, because if he created everything, he created that rock, he created the man who got hurt, and he created the land the rock was sitting on that led to the eventual injury. In a way, he created the event. Then he is totally culpable.
I think (though could be quite wrong) that this is what causes many people to question just what it is God is trying to do. And it causes many of those questioners to lose their faith.

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kuresu
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Message 34 of 50 (366629)
11-28-2006 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Phat
11-28-2006 9:34 AM


Re: Gospel Of Inclusion Remix
Then, imagine the end of time, judgment day, all of mankind standing before God. He shrugs His shoulders and says, "Oh, all right ...ya'll come on in!
I'd have a great big laugh at the "you mean I died for nothing!?" looks they would have. And the looks of "so I treated them like shit, and I was wrong, because they ended up in here. damn, how am I going to apologize?". And then at those who will abandon God at that point. Now that's the perfect time to become an atheist--after you're in heaven.
And who's to say all those martys had it right? I mean, come on, if we don't even know what God's plan is for us, then how can we possibly imagine what his plan is for heaven-admittance? It also has the benefit of removing quite a bit of hatred and destruction and forced conversions.

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kuresu
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Message 38 of 50 (366844)
11-29-2006 2:11 PM
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11-29-2006 3:29 AM


Re: Gospel Of Inclusion Remix
there's a difference between gloating and laughing at foolish people.
It'd be more like when you shake your head in disbelief that someone actually did something quite stupid.
It's kind of hard to explain in writing, i think.

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kuresu
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Message 41 of 50 (367195)
11-30-2006 8:19 PM
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11-30-2006 7:46 PM


Re: Who in the heck do you think you are? God??
I'm not sure if you do.
I'm not defining God. I'm going with the basic definition Christians have for him. I then just took it to a logical conclusion--it's all God's fault.
It's so, so much easier being an atheist. No mind-bending required.
(oh, and I do so happen to think I am God. Or at least, my own God )

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