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Topic: Heretics - Reverend Carlton Pearson
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Phat
Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 19 of 50 (365815)
11-24-2006 4:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 15 by attssyf 11-21-2006 6:16 PM
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Moderation
attssyf writes: For honest Christians searching for truth, there is a real risk that a moderate belief, honestly reached through study and reflection, will be greeting with shouts of 'more! more!' What do you define as moderate?
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Phat
Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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I just listened!
This is a great summation of the Gospel Of Inclusion! Carlton sounds honest and quite comfortable in his faith. He was willing to give up his fame and fortune for what he came to believe in. Im not an inclusionist yet, but I am open to the belief, should God lead me that direction. Edited by Phat, : add
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Phat
Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 22 of 50 (365873)
11-24-2006 8:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by dwise1 11-24-2006 8:37 PM
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Re: ZOMG
dwise1 writes: Such a pity that there are people who refuse to be good unless they are threatened with the most dire punishment possible. The whole point of orthodox christianity, however, is that we can't ever be good enough anyway....despite our best efforts. Hell was never created for people. It was created as a destination for rebellious spirits that refused to bow before God. The only way we would end up there is to refuse the obvious best solution.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 31 of 50 (366461)
11-28-2006 8:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 30 by attssyf 11-28-2006 5:54 AM
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Fair is Foul and Foul is Fair
If God exists, does He allow us to rant at Him? I would certainly think so. God gave everyone of us a brain, IMB, and expects us to question Him. attssyf writes: If God can predict the choices people make, then he choses to put you on the earth at a certain time, knowing how you will act, and then punishes and rewards you.(THE... GAME WAS RIGGED!) So you are angry that God knows stuff that could prevent bad consequences for you and humanity yet is not involved? How do we not know that God expects us to collectively learn from the hand we were dealt in life? Why do we have it in us to question a supposedly Omnipotant and all knowing Being?
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Phat
Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 32 of 50 (366473)
11-28-2006 9:34 AM
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Gospel Of Inclusion Remix
AgapePress) - A Pentecostal bishop in Oklahoma continues to stir controversy with his teaching that Jesus Christ has saved everyone, regardless whether they accept Christ as their Savior. Carlton Pearson has been pastor of the Higher Dimensions Family Church in Tulsa for more than 20 years. He is presiding bishop of the Azusa Interdenominational Fellowship of Christian Churches and Ministries, Inc., which includes over 500 churches and ministries. And he has authored a variety of books and was even nominated for a Dove Award at one time. But the embattled, high-energy preacher has raised eyebrows among his fellow evangelicals recently for preaching what he calls the "gospel of inclusion." Associated Press says other prominent ministers have denounced him for teaching that Jesus has saved everyone -- both believers and unbelievers. He teaches that sincere people who do not directly acknowledge Christ -- such as Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and Unitarians -- will go to heaven. Consequently, according to Pearson, conversion is unnecessary. Several points I might elaborate:
Not acknowledging Christ is not the same as rejecting Him.
IF God exists, our sincerity will be seen by Him
IMB, God draws all men (and women) unto Himself.
Here is a contrary point of view to the inclusion Gospel. An excerpt: Take-A-Stand writes: Consider God becoming a man and dying on the cross so we can have forgiveness and eternal life in Heaven. Consider people over the centuries either accepting or rejecting God's love. Now, consider all those who died and suffered as martyrs (and still do!) for their faith in Christ. Then, imagine the end of time, judgment day, all of mankind standing before God. He shrugs His shoulders and says, "Oh, all right ...ya'll come on in!" Edited by Phat, : add
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Phat
Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 35 of 50 (366721)
11-29-2006 3:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 34 by kuresu 11-28-2006 8:22 PM
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Re: Gospel Of Inclusion Remix
So you would gloat---in Heaven?
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Phat
Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 39 of 50 (367190)
11-30-2006 7:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 33 by kuresu 11-28-2006 8:16 PM
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Who in the heck do you think you are? God??
kuresu writes: Here's the problem. God created everything. God is all-knowing (from what I hear). He knows what will happen. If you get hurt, maimed, or killed, God knew this would happen. In our law system, that's implied consent. Yes. And in our justice system, we appoint the judges and we determine the laws. The problem with our ideas about God is we attempt to define His parameters and expect Him to obey our laws. It really is a mute argument, however, and I think I see where you are coming from. Wouldnt it be nice to be able to quietly sit and talk with od and ask Him why the heck things are the way they are? I think that the frustration that many people have with their faith is that they feel unable to talk with God---they know about God yet they don't know God. Carlton Pearsons inclusive gospel still allows for everyone to get the opportunity to know God. Its not as if an anonymous Deity is gonna simply save everybody and yet not relate to them.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 44 of 50 (367819)
12-05-2006 4:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 41 by kuresu 11-30-2006 8:19 PM
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Re: Who in the heck do you think you are? God??
kuresu writes: It's so, so much easier being an atheist. No mind-bending required.
More like no will bending required, I would think. People dont like the idea that they are unable or incapable of imagining their individual and collective destinies. As far as being God, that attitude is typical of human nature---especially those who reject any authority in their lives save themselves. I suppose that its better than being a bunch of mindless sheeple.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 49 of 50 (367993)
12-06-2006 2:33 PM
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Steering back towards the topic---
which is the Reverend Carlton Pearson, who was branded a modern heretic for embracing the Gospel Of Inclusion. Other famous Christian leaders have embraced the Gospel of Inclusion, including world renowned Billy Graham USATODAY writes: The Christian world today is full of niches ” from the vaguest spiritual seekers to the most doctrinally rigid conservatives who decry the ecumenical movement and see tolerance as moral relativism. Words like pluralism and inclusivity, which Graham considers positive, have taken on negative connotations, as if they meant all paths to God were equally valid...."The Lord said, 'I will never forsake you.' No matter how sinful we are, how bad we are, God loves us. At least from my point of view, I believe he sent his son Jesus Christ to die on the cross for us because he loves us and he doesn't have any termination to that love." Edited by Phat, : added Graham quote
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